Opening a can of worms: Trunks' movie 13 sword

[Dayspring]

To those who feel that movie 13 only shows how Trunks gets a sword that is merely similar to Future Trunks', I thought you'd like to see what Trunks' daizenshuu seven bio - the section marked under things that are different/only in the anime - states about the matter:

The Trunks that comes from the future transformed into Super Saiyan by letting himself become overwhelmed by anger after his sensei and friend, SonGohan, was killed by androids #17 and #18. We also learn that the sword wielded by future Trunks was given to him by Tapion.

To which I add, at the possible risk of a temp-ban, PWNED~~!!

Discuss. I snobbishly await concessions and "The daizenshuu aren't canon!" arguments.

[Caracal]

How can he get Tapion's sword? The only way they got Tapion out was by using the DragonBalls and somehow I doubt that was possible in FTrunk's timeline.

[Dayspring]

How can he get Tapion's sword? The only way they got Tapion out was by using the DragonBalls and somehow I doubt that was possible in FTrunk's timeline.

I know. Hence the "Pwned."

Mass confusion, anyone? I'll have a smigen, please.

[VegettoEX]

Discuss. I snobbishly await concessions and "The daizenshuu aren't canon!" arguments.

I have no problem admitting that the daizenshuu say both correct and wildly-made-up things .

When it comes to stuff like this that logistically makes no sense, you don't have to take what they write at face-value. It's rather obvious by watching the ending credits to the movie that it's well-inferred that's what they were going for... it just makes no sense .

[tealsmith]

Sounds simply like an error to me. For Future Trunks to have recieved the sword, the box holding Tapion had to have been opened using the Dragonballs.

After the arrival of the androids, when Trunks was still just a baby, Piccolo's killed fighting them. This in turn kills Kami, which makes the Dragonballs obsolete.

Now, one could assume the box was opened before the arrival of the Androids. However, who would have been strong enough to defeat Hildegarn? Tapion? In the movie, it was stated by Gohan and Goku that he had 'Incredible power" but we never really saw him use it.

Then we have the problem of when Whatshisname (Can't remember the name of the Warlock who brought the box to Earth) didn't show up in the film until after the Buu Saga.

In the end, this kind of topic can be argued to death. I'm certainly not saying it's impossible that it's where Trunks got his sword. I'm just saying it's highly, highly unlikely.

Quite possibly the only reason it would be possible would be due to the fact that in a series like Dragonball, sometimes things just aren't explained and you're supposed to accept them

[El_Diablo]

Or maybe the movies just aren't a proper part of the series

['lo Legends]

No, you see, it goes like this...

Random Guy: Hey, lets make a new movie! It'll be COOL.

Another Random Guy: But what will it be about? We have made 12 movies already, surely we are running out of ideas!

Random Guy: Hmm...*surveys the area, spots a future trunks action figure wielding a sword* Aha! I got it! We can make the movie explaining how Trunks got his sword!

Another Random Guy: Uhh, how would that be interesting? It's just a normal sword...

Random Guy: No! You see, it's a sword that was once wielded by a super-mystical, flute playing dude who's design we can obviously rip off of Kaioushin!

That's how it went. They obviously were alluding that Kid Trunk's gets his sword from Tapion in both timelines, but they didn't really "think" enough to understand that it was impossible.

[The S]

I just say since it's an already altered timeline, things like this happen in a completely different manner. Think about it, if it all stayed the same, Babidi and Dabra would have shown up by the time Mirai Trunks was a preteen.

[Mike D]

What about Goten? Wouldn't he have had to exist in the future? He wasn't even mentioned in that timeline. BOOYAH! Case closed baby.

[Nami]

What about Goten? Wouldn't he have had to exist in the future? He wasn't even mentioned in that timeline. BOOYAH! Case closed baby.

You have to remember, Goku originally caught the heart viras 6 months before the androids had shown up in Trunks' timeline, so there-fore Goku hadn't had the oppurtunity to do the "deed" with Chichi, and thus concieving Goten. So there-fore Goten was never concieved in Trunks nor Cell's timelines and was never born. However due to Trunks goofing up the consequenses of Goku's arrival on Earth 3 years hence, Goku's heart disease was less strained (my theory is it's because he hadn't had the final battle with Freeza and King Cold he was destined to on Earth, and also he still would have the battle with Cooler later on). Now since Goku (in the present timeline) had a few months before the viras would take it's effect, he found the time to have the impregnating sexual intercourse with his wife between the 6 motnhs when he was supposed to contract the viras and when the androids were to show up.

Anyway back on topic. Regaurding the sword, as crazy as this is to say, I don't trust the Daizenshuu simply because IMO it makes A lot more sense for Tapion's sword to be merely similar to Future Trunks's and the ending credits simply symbolize that Chibi Trunks is following in Future Trunks' footsteps as becoming a great swordsman.

[Gamingdevil]

A lot of people mentionned that Trunks got his sword from Tapion an other way, but if that quote from Dayspring was correct that the Daizenshuu says we learned how he got it. But as it's completely impossible that he got the sword the way we've seen it, the Daizenshuu is still wrong one way or another.

[Sun_Wukong]

I've said this for years, Trunks and Gohan wouldnt be enough to stop Hildegarn. Unless Tapion was a hell've a lot stronger, or Hildegarn was a lot weaker. I could believe the latter since Trunks mentioned #17 and #18 were weaker in his timeline. But since Goku did have to go SSJ3 to defeat Hildegarn, I doubt Gohan would stand a chance.

[dim_sum_boy]

As you all know that movies does not relate to the episode, so there's no point in arguing. Especially if the timeline are different.

[VegettoEX]

As you all know that movies does not relate to the episode, so there's no point in arguing. Especially if the timeline are different.

Umm... thank you?

The purpose of this thread isn't to "argue," but rather to intellectually debate with logic the official information that has been handed to us in a variety of forms.

[dim_sum_boy]

When they made the trunks' timeline they never thought about the sword's origin. The movie 13 was made way after that, so they can't go back and fix episodes and make it so it fits with future trunks.

Also the timeline in Future Trunks is way different because in the normal timeline; the z fighters should be stronger. In "History of Trunks" Trunks has aready received his sword but not super saiyan yet but in normal timeline he is a super saiyan and yet to receive his sword from Tapion unitl movie 13 which is after the buu saga.

[Dayspring]

I've said this for years, Trunks and Gohan wouldnt be enough to stop Hildegarn. Unless Tapion was a hell've a lot stronger, or Hildegarn was a lot weaker. I could believe the latter since Trunks mentioned #17 and #18 were weaker in his timeline. But since Goku did have to go SSJ3 to defeat Hildegarn, I doubt Gohan would stand a chance.

Here's a possibility I had mulled over for a while a few years back:

Magic seal on music box was weaker in Future Timeline, so maybe little wizard guy told Trunks inside there was a hero inside who could destroy the androids. Trunks uses SSJ to turn the weaker music box's handle and releases Tapion. Tapion tells him the truth and wizard is somehow killed by Tapion and/or Trunks. Tapion explains how he needs to be killed in order to keep an evil much worse than the Androids from being released. A battle hardened Future Trunks reluctantly and regretfully does what Chibi could never do. As hommage to Tapion's bravery and sacrifice, Trunks henceforth carried Tapion's sword.

And I have absolutely NO way of proving that for obvious reasons.

Personally I feel the daizenshuu's claim is to be taken seriously, but only proves that movie 13 can't take place in the normal timeline as a result of its impossibility.

[dim_sum_boy]

I've said this for years, Trunks and Gohan wouldnt be enough to stop Hildegarn. Unless Tapion was a hell've a lot stronger, or Hildegarn was a lot weaker. I could believe the latter since Trunks mentioned #17 and #18 were weaker in his timeline. But since Goku did have to go SSJ3 to defeat Hildegarn, I doubt Gohan would stand a chance.

Here's a possibility I had mulled over for a while a few years back:

Magic seal on music box was weaker in Future Timeline, so maybe little wizard guy told Trunks inside there was a hero inside who could destroy the androids. Trunks uses SSJ to turn the weaker music box's handle and releases Tapion.

Future Trunks can't turn super saiyan yet, unitl after he recieve the sword then he turned super saiyan because of Gohan's loss.

[Rocketman]

Future Trunks can't turn super saiyan yet, unitl after he recieve the sword then he turned super saiyan because of Gohan's loss.

Isn't there a gap between Gohan's death and Future Trunks strapping on the sword to challenge the Androids in the TV special?

[tealsmith]

Future Trunks can't turn super saiyan yet, unitl after he recieve the sword then he turned super saiyan because of Gohan's loss.

Isn't there a gap between Gohan's death and Future Trunks strapping on the sword to challenge the Androids in the TV special?

Yeah. Trunks doesn't even have the sword when Gohan dies (or at least it's never seen). The next time Trunks is shown after Gohan's death, he looks much older and has the sword with him.

[B-kun]

Future Trunks can't turn super saiyan yet, unitl after he recieve the sword then he turned super saiyan because of Gohan's loss.

Isn't there a gap between Gohan's death and Future Trunks strapping on the sword to challenge the Androids in the TV special?

Yeah. Trunks doesn't even have the sword when Gohan dies (or at least it's never seen). The next time Trunks is shown after Gohan's death, he looks much older and has the sword with him.

The narrator says it's been three years. Trunks hears a news report on the Artificial Humans, and turns Super Saiyan and straps the sword onto his back.