Why is Buu so hated?

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:51 pm

On most of the websites I've gone to that talk about DBZ, the prevailing opinion is that DBZ was good until the end of Cell then it gets bad with Buu. Why do most fans hate the Majin Buu saga so much? DBZ was supposed to end after Freeza and no one bashes the Cell saga as much.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:13 pm

Well, in my opinion, it's the emotion, not to mention the creepiness, in the Cell saga that makes it so enjoyable. It's easily my fave story arc.
The reason why I don't like the Boo saga so much is because... well, where to start? Even though you have to give Toriyama creidt for being a good enough writer to pull such surprising, unexpected stunts, but since he'd been doing that throughout the whole series already, I'd say it's much more effective in the previous sagas. I don't know how many times I've said it, but the second time machine popping up out of absolutely nowhere to introduce Cell? That's absolute genius!
Nothing personal, really, the Boo saga isn't all that bad. And as far as I'm concerned, it gets REALLY good as soon as Boo becomes Kid Boo.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 5:31 pm

I never really understood why so many people have always been down on the Buu Saga either. Maybe because every single character that didn't have golden hair had become cannon fodder? Maybe people thought DBZ had gone on long enough? Maybe some people got tired of the whole idea of an enemy that could re-grow limbs, or an enemy who really had no motivation besides kill kill kill? I dunno. Personally, I like the Buu Saga. It had plenty of great momments.

LaRésistance · Post by **LaRésistance** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:46 pm

tealsmith wrote: Maybe because every single character that didn't have golden hair had become cannon fodder?

You may be right. I know that I loved the scene where Yamcha trains in the other world, and the scene where Piccolo says to Krillin, Yamcha and the others: "don't attack unless he attacks us first" when Majin Buu is about to arrive at Kami's Place. I don't know why but I would have loved it to see them fight.

Caracal · Post by **Caracal** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 6:51 pm

The Buu Saga introduced Gotenks and "Mystic" Gohan and for that I liked it. Yes, as tealsmith pointed out, the fact Buu could regenerate from pratically any move meant that he took a lot of damage each ep and just shrugged it off. Plus it seemed no-one without Saiyan blood was of any use and the fact Akira changed it from the original plan of Gohan being the hero to Goku being the hero was also a bad move IMO.

tealsmith · Post by **tealsmith** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:00 pm

LaRésistance wrote:
tealsmith wrote: Maybe because every single character that didn't have golden hair had become cannon fodder?
You may be right. I know that I loved the scene where Yamcha trains in the other world, and the scene where Piccolo says to Krillin, Yamcha and the others: "don't attack unless he attacks us first" when Majin Buu is about to arrive at Kami's Place. I don't know why but I would have loved it to see them fight.

Exactly. In fact, I loved every scene that had significant presence of the human fighters. The one with Krillin and Yamcha fighting was great.

Pretty much the only non-Saiya-Jin character who was worth a damn was Piccolo (who is my favourite). Chopping Babidi in half was just neat.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:09 pm

Why, because it just got plain ridiculous by the end. Buu had more forms than Goku! And the fight against Buu was just one big power struggle. Buu had no reason for what he was doing, he just wanted to be the strongest in the universe. Well, then again, Cell kinda did too, and Freeza. Oh forget it...

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:51 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Why, because it just got plain ridiculous by the end. Buu had more forms than Goku! And the fight against Buu was just one big power struggle. Buu had no reason for what he was doing, he just wanted to be the strongest in the universe. Well, then again, Cell kinda did too, and Freeza. Oh forget it...

Frieza had different motivations for so than the other two. He was a crazy megalomaniac who wanted to rule the entire universe. Cell and Buu had no such ambitions. They were simply created to be heartless killing machines.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 8:57 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Why, because it just got plain ridiculous by the end. Buu had more forms than Goku! And the fight against Buu was just one big power struggle. Buu had no reason for what he was doing, he just wanted to be the strongest in the universe. Well, then again, Cell kinda did too, and Freeza. Oh forget it...

That pretty much does sum it up though. Buu never had purpose. Throughout all of DB, every character always wanted something. It mattered not if you were a good guy or a bad guy. With Buu, however, it was always "I kill you because I can, not because I want to." When there's finally character growth to Buu, the plot twist was introduced where Super Buu was made. What does he and every form after him want? To be the strongest and to fight strong people. The catch? He's already the strongest, and he keeps what he wants from even himself by assimilating anyone who walks by. Even Cell was smart enough to stop once he obtained a perfect body.

In short, the Buu saga is hated because the main villain had no motive. For any character to not have a motive is bad writing plain and simple, be it a movie, a short story or a manga.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 9:09 pm

Dayspring wrote:In short, the Buu saga is hated because the main villain had no motive. For any character to not have a motive is bad writing plain and simple, be it a movie, a short story or a manga.

That's what I liked about Fat Buu, and why I dislike the other forms of him. It's not that he serves no purpose... it's that he really doesn't know what his purpose *is*, to begin with. He's just this creation that conjured up by someone else (technically so was Cell, but he was more aware of it).

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:02 pm

I think most people hate it because they can't stand to see Gohan fail again, and again, and again...

MyVisionity · Post by **MyVisionity** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:03 pm

VegettoEX wrote:
Dayspring wrote:In short, the Buu saga is hated because the main villain had no motive. For any character to not have a motive is bad writing plain and simple, be it a movie, a short story or a manga.
That's what I liked about Fat Buu, and why I dislike the other forms of him. It's not that he serves no purpose... it's that he really doesn't know what his purpose *is*, to begin with. He's just this creation that conjured up by someone else (technically so was Cell, but he was more aware of it).

True, but I think that goes for all of Buu's forms, not just Fat.

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:07 pm

MyVisionity wrote:True, but I think that goes for all of Buu's forms, not just Fat.

Nah... as stated, the other forms of Buu all had the generic "I want to be the strongest, so screw you all." OK, fine... Chibi Buu was just freakin' nuts and liked blowing things up (and that's quite OK). I guess it's just "Super Buu" that seems so utterly generic and obnoxious to me

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ChaotixXero · Post by **ChaotixXero** » Sat Jul 23, 2005 11:43 pm

I think it should have ended at Cell. It was all, Goku's dead, your hero's gone, go one with your lives and live long...

There are only a few things I like from the Buu Saga. Majin Vegeta vs Goku, Majin Vegeta's sacrafice, Trunks, Vegeto, and Mystic Gohan(and what he was doing all those years).

I didn't like it much because Cell was such a great villan, his story was the revenge of the Red Ribbon Army. Goku dies in the cell saga but comes back again(He died 2x before the Buu saga), most of the characters we liked in DB were weak, atleast they did something during the andriod/Cell saga. And I didn't really like the ending, Goku leaves his family again to train a stranger.

Freeza was just a major landowner who because of Radtiz found out about the dragonballs and then looked out for immortaliy.
Cell was more of a person who wanted to fill out his purpose for life: absorb #17 and #18 and become the most powerful person ever, but he failed because he was so cocky(probably got it from Vegeta...)

I think it would have been better to end it at the Cell saga(I know I said this), but the storyline becomes something like: Vegeta continues to train, Gohan becomes Trunks' mentor, Goku stays died because it is now his responsibilty(the villans go after him), and theres peace. I didn't really like Goten too much.

Has anyone noticed that in DBZ(Saiyan-Cell Saga) its been Goku's past "trying to haunt him". In the Saiyan saga, Goku learns about his heritage. In the Freeza saga, Goku avenges it. In the Andriod and Cell saga, the RR army gets revenge on Goku for what he did when he was a kid.

Conan the SSJ · Post by **Conan the SSJ** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:19 am

ChaotixXero wrote:Has anyone noticed that in DBZ(Saiyan-Cell Saga) its been Goku's past "trying to haunt him". In the Saiyan saga, Goku learns about his heritage. In the Freeza saga, Goku avenges it. In the Andriod and Cell saga, the RR army gets revenge on Goku for what he did when he was a kid.

Indeed, and that aspect of the story doesn't happen again until the Dark Dragons arc in GT, which kind of made me like the Dark Dragons arc just a bit more because of that concept. At least in GT, Goku's leaving his friends and family had more of an unselfish feel than in the Buu arc, and it also gave the viewer (such as myself) the feel that the Dragonball trilogy really is over, unlike the end of the Buu arc which leaves more of a cliff-hanger than an ending IMO. I found Buu himself quite compelling, which to me made his arc all the more unpredictable. Fat Buu was the heart, Super Buu was the brain, and Kid Buu was the soul.

ChaotixXero · Post by **ChaotixXero** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 12:31 am

I never looked at Buu that way. And yes, the Dark Dragon Saga also goes with the nature of 'the past trying to haunt' Goku. I enjoyed the ending of Gt the most also.

Super Sonic · Post by **Super Sonic** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:07 am

I didn't really like the Shadow Dragons arc mainly because of their screwing with the Dragon Balls. If there was a downside to them, you kinda think that Kami or the other Nameks could've given a warning to the good guys. I also think it should've ended at the Cell saga or other places. I remember hearing that Mr. Toriyama originally intended to end with the Frieza saga. Makes sense. I think if it did end there, Goku would've been brought back to Earth then and Vegeta might not have been revived. The end of DB in both the manga and anime also have a feeling of endings to them. Especially with Old Man Roshi's speech to Kami. Though with the anime the little quest Goku and Chi Chi had was corny, and you have to ignore that apparently offscreen they went by Korin Tower and asked to borrow the Power Pole one last time. But the wedding looked nice, though I think it should have had the other guys as well.

ChaotixXero · Post by **ChaotixXero** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:17 am

I guess Kami didn't know about that(remember he didn't know much about his past or heritage), the other nameks could have thought they didn't use it as much, the only reason they were used so much was becuase of Bulma's dragon radar.

Majin Buu · Post by **Majin Buu** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:38 am

Dayspring wrote:In short, the Buu saga is hated because the main villain had no motive. For any character to not have a motive is bad writing plain and simple, be it a movie, a short story or a manga.

Well Cell didin't really have any motive himself either.

ChaotixXero · Post by **ChaotixXero** » Sun Jul 24, 2005 1:47 am

His motive was to become perfect, and after that, show his power/test himself out on the strongest people he could find before he destroyed the world...