Curse of the Blood Rubies WILL Have a New Dub--CONFIRMED

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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Fri Nov 12, 2010 11:47 pm

I'm disappointed aswell that Nadolny isn't playing Kid Gokū, but it doesn't really matter for me since she doesn't play him in the other two movies. Nadolny still plays Kid Gokū consistently throughout the TV series, if I want to hear her excellent portrayal of the character. I haven't seen the movie uncut, so I'm definately picking up the DVD.

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Post by Kakarotto » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:15 am

(I apologize in advanced for the idiotic rambling of this post.)

I believe that funimation has made the best decision, regarding the previous circumstances of the dragon ball movies. Yes there will be occasions where we may not meet eye to eye on certain details of this release, but we should be glad that were getting this. Personally I’d prefer the voice acting cast on the blue bricks and I strongly dislike listening to the Ocean dub, but what are you going to do. The Kai voice acting cast is here, the music at times may sound queer, so get use to it!

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Post by penguintruth » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:20 am

Well, if the change is from shitty voice actors to good ones, I'm for it.
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Post by theoriginalbilis » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:27 am

I'm used to voice casts being changed for shows I watch all the time (TMNT, DC animated titles, EVERY Marvel cartoon), so this doesn't bother me at all. I probably will end up liking the dub since it'll have a talented cast that I like, and the script adaptation will probably follow Kai's direction (Read: PROPER and more respectful to the source). Overall though, the important thing is that we're finally getting an uncut release after so long.

In terms of the new dub itself though, I'm hoping that FUNimation will make some of the comedic moments funnier. I like how FUNimation adapts jokes and comedic scenes (in their non-DB dubs), and I wasn't laughing that much when I watched Movie I in Japanese a few months back, so maybe naughtier humor is what the doctor ordered.
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:44 am

AgitoZ wrote:Also I never understood this idea, "Yeah Naldony's Gohan wasn't good but her Goku was GREAT!". It's essentially the same voice. Not to mention if you're going by visuals the voice is more inappropriate. Although I don't dislike Naldony that much, so I'm not going to rant.
Yeah, people say that all the time, and I'm really stumped. It's virtually the exact same voice! There's probably a subtle difference, but she's just got an annoying voice in general. Especially her little gasps, yells and laughs. It makes any dubbed DB product unwatchable for me, it's just that bad. (Very forced acting, too.)

So, since when was there so much hate for Clinkenbeard on here? I thought anime fans thought she was a great voice actor? Same with Monica Rial, huge fanbase. Kinda funny that it's just dub DB fans that are bashing them, huh? Honestly, I think they're just angry that FUNimation is screwing up the voices they know and love (despite the fact that every character had at least one other voice prior to FUNimation's current cast, and sometimes even more; DB/DBZ has never had a consistent voice cast, ESPECIALLY these old Dragon Ball movies), without actually paying attention to the quality of the acting. Because, to the unbiased observer, Rial, Clinkenbeard and Ayres blow the old actors out of the water.

That, or fans of the DBZ dub just have poor taste in acting. Because, no offense, if you thought the acting in that show was any good... You've got low standards.
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Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:48 am

Chibi Mystic Gohan wrote:Yeah, people say that all the time, and I'm really stumped. It's virtually the exact same voice! There's probably a subtle difference, but she's just got an annoying voice in general. Especially her little gasps, yells and laughs. It makes any dubbed DB product unwatchable for me, it's just that bad. (Very forced acting, too.)
For me, it's just that voice suits Gokū much more than it does Gohan. No one's denying that the voices aren't similar, though.

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Post by Kaboom » Sat Nov 13, 2010 1:49 am

For me, it's because we see Goku as a child from ages 12 through 15, but Gohan as a child from ages 4 through 11. Nadolny's voice for them sounds older, and that's why it's at least slightly more appropriate for Goku. It sounds plausibly 12 or older. But the voice was very off-the-mark for a youngin' like Gohan who's supposed to be only 4. At best, it worked for his Cell Games self.
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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:00 am

I suppose that makes some sense... I just like to judge a voice based on the quality of the acting, and the sound (like the coolness of the voice, or the cuteness), rather than just accepting it for being age-appropriate. Hence the reason I don't care for Nadolny's Goku and Gohan: she's a mediocre actress, and she uses a grating character voice.

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Post by Innagadadavida » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:11 am

If you say Stephanie Nadolny isn't a good actress you are wrong. She has talent. In the right role, ala Kid Goku, she's great! Gohan was not suited for her.

Yeah, I'm not buying this movie. It's not the English cast I want.

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:18 am

But it's mostly the English cast you want (at least I assume you're not talking about an entirely different cast like Ocean). Voice casts get changed all the time for any kind of long-running show. Considering this series has been in the process of being dubbed for fifteen years, it's not at all surprising that some cast changes are going to happen along the way. Even the Japanese version has cast changes from time to time. Any long-runner would. I just found out that there's a new Scooby-Doo show. I checked out an episode, and it's actually surprisingly good. However, I was disappointed that they brought in Matthew Lillard to play Shaggy and demote Casey Kasem (the original Shaggy) to playing Shaggy's father (not that Lillard is bad). But that just happens sometimes. Unless you're totally satisfied with the '95 dub and consider that the only true dub of it, I just have a hard time imagining why the natural evolution of a voice cast is such a deal-breaker.
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Post by penguintruth » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:19 am

Well, to be fair to Naldony, Goku's got a more wild edge to him, whereas Gohan is very well-behaved and curteous. They're both sheltered, but Gohan is shielded by his mother and is brought up reliant on his parents (as a four year old ought to be, to a certain extent). I never liked Naldony's actual acting or that really fake-sounding laugh, though.

Anyway, when we meet Goku, he's a lot older than when we meet Gohan. Which always makes me wonder at the people who think it's crazy that Nozawa voices adult Goku. A 12 year old doesn't sound the way Nozawa's child Goku does, either. So you either think Nozawa is always appropriate or never appropriate. You can't mix a match, as Goku starts off sounding like he's really, really young.

Naldony was more appropriate for Goku than she was for Gohan because he's older and has a bit of an attitude about him. This is why I hope that Clinkenbeard doesn't make him sound exactly like her Gohan, because Goku should have a bit of a cocky quality to him, as to not sound too cutsie. But Clinkenbeard has good range, so I think she might be able to, with the proper direction.
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Post by bkev » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:23 am

As long as she doesn't do her Luffy voice, I'm fine - disappointed, but fine.
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Post by jjgp1112 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:31 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:But it's mostly the English cast you want (at least I assume you're not talking about an entirely different cast like Ocean). Voice casts get changed all the time for any kind of long-running show. Considering this series has been in the process of being dubbed for fifteen years, it's not at all surprising that some cast changes are going to happen along the way. Even the Japanese version has cast changes from time to time. Any long-runner would. I just found out that there's a new Scooby-Doo show. I checked out an episode, and it's actually surprisingly good. However, I was disappointed that they brought in Matthew Lillard to play Shaggy and demote Casey Kasem (the original Shaggy) to playing Shaggy's father (not that Lillard is bad). But that just happens sometimes. Unless you're totally satisfied with the '95 dub and consider that the only true dub of it, I just have a hard time imagining why the natural evolution of a voice cast is such a deal-breaker.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:34 am

No, it's not, but that still doesn't mean that voice changes don't happen. Real life doesn't care if the show has continuity or not. It bothers me that there are a lot of new DB material that doesn't have Miyauchi Kohei as Kame-sennin or Suzuoki Hirotaka as Tenshinhan, but I just don't feel there's any point stamping my foot about it. It doesn't change the fact that there is a lot of material I can find that does utilize their talents. This particular movie isn't even replacing any of Nadolny's work, and there are still plenty of places to find her.
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Post by Innagadadavida » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:38 am

Those of us who want the English Kid Goku we know and love to remain consistent in the movies as well should check out this petition I made. I know online petitions are kind of silly, but gosh darn it, we gotta do something. I just can't stand by and let this happen. I want Stephanie Nadolny back. I've never felt so strongly about a recast in my life.

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Post by TheGreatness25 » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:40 am

Part of me is disappointed because from beginning to end, Stephanie Nadolny voiced kid Goku (aside from Sleeping Princess in Devil's Castle and Mystical Adventure) strictly for the knowledge that... the same cast existed from beginning to end! That's quite remarkable really. But honestly, now... I couldn't care less because I doubt I'd even watch the dub lol And even if Chris Sabat himself voiced kid Goku, I wouldn't care because uncut Curse of the Blood Rubies with the option to view the original Japanese track is better than edited and spliced Ocean dub Curse of the Blood Rubies.

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Post by JulieYBM » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:53 am

Gaffer Tape wrote:It bothers me that there are a lot of new DB material that doesn't have Miyauchi Kohei as Kame-sennin or Suzuoki Hirotaka as Tenshinhan, but I just don't feel there's any point stamping my foot about it.
I suppose, just to turn it around, had you more (any?) interest in Dragon Ball Kai (where Satô and Midorikawa now play Muten Rôshi and Tenshinhan) you wouldn't want a revived-from-the-death Miyauchi or Suzuoki to go back and rerecord the material that had originally been voiced by them. Or in other words, after Yanami filled in for Miyauchi during Gokû's fight with Chichi you wouldn't have wanted for that episode to have been re-edited to include Miyauchi in Yanami's place.

I find it interesting you directly point out being bothered by new Dragon Ball material with their characters coming out. As much as I absolutely prefer those two as the characters in question...I couldn't entirely see swearing off the new original productions because they were no longer available. Maybe I'm jus' a'misreadin' your comment, but it almost comes off as being troubled by the continued use of the characters in question.


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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:55 am

No, I'm actually saying the exact opposite. They've been replaced. I don't like the new actors quite as much. But it's not like it's really bothersome. It just happens.
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Post by Innagadadavida » Sat Nov 13, 2010 2:58 am

There's a big difference. Sephanie Nadolny is readily available and willing.

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Post by penguintruth » Sat Nov 13, 2010 3:04 am

Innagadadavida wrote:There's a big difference. Sephanie Nadolny is readily available and willing.
They're going in a different direction with their casting for DB-related things now. I welcome it.
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