The Jinzoningen Chronology makes no sense.

[CODii]

I think the whole King Cold situation is really interesting. It kind of reminds me of what was recently covered in a classical Japanese literature course I'm taking when talking about the Heian period. There was always an Emperor, but he was really more of a figurehead. The real power was held by the elders of the Fujiwara clan, who would marry their daughters away to emperors and control the government from behind the scenes.

[p123]

Which makes King Cold bad ass.

Although it was forced, seeing as it appears King Cold wasn't created pre Namek destruction, and AT had to fit him in there somehow. Either way though Cold is an interesting character , it's too bad we couldn't get more of a look into him and his history and how the whole empire breaks down.

But then again, Freeza basing his second suppression to mimic Cold's true form is just another thing AT squeezed in there, which was cool , although forced. Makes you ask how does Freeza even create these suppressions to look however he wants? Interesting technology.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

Which makes King Cold bad ass.

Although it was forced, seeing as it appears King Cold wasn't created pre Namek destruction, and AT had to fit him in there somehow. Either way though Cold is an interesting character , it's too bad we couldn't get more of a look into him and his history and how the whole empire breaks down.

But then again, Freeza basing his second suppression to mimic Cold's true form is just another thing AT squeezed in there, which was cool , although forced. Makes you ask how does Freeza even create these suppressions to look however he wants? Interesting technology.

Freeza made mention of his parent(s) during his fight with Goku, so Cold was at least referenced before his actual appearance. But knowing Toriyama, there are some plot points he plans out and some he just pulls out of nowhere chapter by chapter. We're never going to find out if he already thought up Cold's design and his spot in the organization when Freeza mentioned him, or if he was created at the last minute. I want to go with the latter though, but I wouldn't rule out Toriyama tossing around ideas in his head when the remark was made.

There is nothing forced about Freeza's family and their forms. All the members of the race we have seen are from the same family, canon or not, all of them look a LOT alike. The Cold we see looks like Freeza's second form, Kurieza looks like Freeza's first and final forms, and Coola, even being the odd ball out, still resembles Freeza's final form. We have practically no information on their race, so all of them sharing similar designs isn't that hard to swallow since they are blood related. Perhaps they can freely control the look and suppression amount for these forms, or maybe it has something to do with their genetics. We won't get real answers, but it isn't all that hard to believe.

[p123]

Agreed on the possible thought process of AT. One could bring up the Ginyu situation, but that would be suspect, since Vegeta/Gohan/Piccolo had already surpassed Ginyu by that point.


I think I was more reffering to how people confuse Cold's true form as a suppression. People think hey Freeza looked like that in his 2nd suppression, so of course Cold is in his 2nd suppression, when everything other than looks suggests the opposite.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

King Cold doesn't look that similar to Freeza's second form. Yeah, they're tall, and they have big horns. But the horns are completely different, and their bodies look kinda different, too.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

King Cold doesn't look that similar to Freeza's second form. Yeah, they're tall, and they have big horns. But the horns are completely different, and their bodies look kinda different, too.

Their bodies look almost exactly the same, minus horn position. Make Cold and second form Freeza wear the same battle jacket (since we haven't seen cold without his) and it would be fairly hard to tell them apart. The details that go into them are obviously different (Cold is buffer, has ridged horns etc.), but the overall design of the body seems to be nearly identical.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

But if the details are so different (Cold has a totally different tail, too), why not just call King Cold a grown-up version of Freeza's first form, or something?

[TheDevilsCorpse]

But if the details are so different (Cold has a totally different tail, too), why not just call King Cold a grown-up version of Freeza's first form, or something?

There is a reason why people think Freeza based his second form on his father's appearance/that Cold is in his own version of the second form. The two character's forms are practically the same, but I do admit there are some differences. I mean, If you wanted to make a picture of Freeza's second form look like Cold, all you would really have to do is change the horns and remove the ridge lines from the arms and legs (and change the colors if not working in black and white).

BTW, Cold's tail is exactly the same as Freeza's. It is even the same color if you go by Toriyama's intent that the end of Freeza's tail should be white by the time of the Kanzenban, though none of that matters in the manga itself.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

I could have sworn that there was something different about King Cold's tail... guess I was wrong. Still, they're different enough for me to dismiss the notion that Cold's in "in the second transformed state," or whatever.

[Fox666]

But if the details are so different (Cold has a totally different tail, too), why not just call King Cold a grown-up version of Freeza's first form, or something?

Isn't Freeza's second form a grown-up version of the first form? =/

The difference beetween the first and second form, despite the size, is that the second form has curved horns, like Cold.

[Senzu_Bean]

As far as we know Cold is just an older form of Freeza's true form. I mean hadn't Freeza be torn apart by Goku in a few/hundred years he would probably look similar to Cold. That is my interpretation at least since there is nothing that suggest Cold is in a suppression form besides his similar look to Freeza's 2nd suppression which means nothing. I can't say the same thing for Coola though.

[p123]

Ever think that Freeza simply takes after his mother? Could be a case without having to make things too deep you know? That's how I think of it.

Freeza only has one form. When we talk about him having forms, technically it's not true, as he only has suppressions. But I get the point obviously.

It's just that it's very confusing to some people, I can't tell you how many times I have had to argue , no Cold is in his true form because A/b/C reasons.

DevilsCorpse, excellent picture. Hell I never even noticed the size difference, Cold is a damn beast! Thanks for posting those and your right, nearly identical.

[Senzu_Bean]

Ever think that Freeza simply takes after his mother? Could be a case without having to make things too deep you know? That's how I think of it.

Because I don't think Freeza has a mother. Heck, he doesn't even have a father. Cold isn't either female or male. Same with Freeza. They reproduce asexually in my view.

[p123]

So why would you have two parents then? Freeza specifically says my parents could only put dust on me... Hmmmmm?

[Senzu_Bean]

So why would you have two parents then? Freeza specifically says my parents could only put dust on me... Hmmmmm?

Japanese doesn't have plural.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

Senzu_Bean is right, the term used in Japanese could mean either parent or parents. Although, one has to wonder why he didn't just say father (or "Papa," as he says), if he was only talking about Cold...

[Piccolo Daimao]

Ever think that Freeza simply takes after his mother? Could be a case without having to make things too deep you know? That's how I think of it.

Because I don't think Freeza has a mother. Heck, he doesn't even have a father. Cold isn't either female or male. Same with Freeza. They reproduce asexually in my view.

But Freeza calls King Cold his father, and King Cold calls Freeza his son.

[Senzu_Bean]

Ever think that Freeza simply takes after his mother? Could be a case without having to make things too deep you know? That's how I think of it.

Because I don't think Freeza has a mother. Heck, he doesn't even have a father. Cold isn't either female or male. Same with Freeza. They reproduce asexually in my view.

But Freeza calls King Cold his father, and King Cold calls Freeza his son.

Yeah, you're right. He probably had a mother too but ate her for breakfast or something.

[Dayspring]

Yeah, you're right. He probably had a mother too but ate her for breakfast or something.

What if Cold gave birth the way Cell or Piccolo did?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah, you're right. He probably had a mother too but ate her for breakfast or something.

What if Cold gave birth the way Cell or Piccolo did?

But Cell and Piccolo are genderless, unlike King Cold. I don't think Freeza's race reproduce asexually (since that would contradict Freeza and King Cold clearly being referred to as male), but they obviously don't reproduce the Earthling way (since, as we can see, Freeza has no penis in his true form).