Kaboom!!!

[Senzu_Bean]

No, not our Kaboom. Kaboom as something exploding. Anyway, what is the weakest character we know of that can destroy a planet? Vegeta claimed he could but whatever, Arale too but leave her out. Did we know Freeza destroyed Planet Vegeta in his 3rd suppression? He did it on the special but he claims he killed the King in his 3rd suppression. Doesn't that mean he killed him personally thus he didn't blow up Vegeta with Bardock along with it?

And isn't Freeza, in his true form, the first character said, by other character, to be able to destroy a planet?

Does Daizenshuu goes about this subject, besides the kiri stuff?

[Kaboom]

If we take Vegeta's word for it, then he's the weakest character we've seen capable of outright destroying an Earth-sized planet. However, given the context, it may only be doable for him with a charged and focused Gallic Gun. Whereas first-form Freeza, who is dozens of time stronger, is capable of charging the energy required and more with one finger and little to no effort.

[Herms]

Arale can't exactly blow up a planet Freeza-style (at least I don't think we ever see her do so). Rather, she can crack a planet nearly in two with her fist, and shatter the moon to pieces by throwing a rock at it.

[Senzu_Bean]

^ That is even worse than blowing a planet through ki.

But do we really know first-form Freeza can destroy a planet besides the special? I mean, Freeza at 70% of his power and holding-back couldn't destroy Planet Namek.

[Kaboom]

But do we really know first-form Freeza can destroy a planet besides the special? I mean, Freeza at 70% of his power and holding-back couldn't destroy Planet Namek.

He says that when he killed the Saiyan King, he did it without needing to transform. I'm not sure if destroying Planet Vegeta would be considered one-and-the-same with that.

EDIT: Scratch that, I remembered something even better. Freeza's short flashback in the manga to when he destroyed planet Vegeta, the one where he recognizes Goku and remembers Bardock, actually shows him nuking the planet in his first form, just like in the TV special. I'd say that answers that question.

And final-form Freeza failed to destroy Namek for that very reason; he held back too much, being afraid to get caught in the explosion.

[Senzu_Bean]

He says that when he killed the Saiyan King, he did it without needing to transform. I'm not sure if destroying Planet Vegeta would be considered one-and-the-same with that.

Neither do I. According to filler it isn't but...

And final-form Freeza failed to destroy Namek for that very reason; he held back too much, being afraid to get caught in the explosion.

But, I'm probably looking too deep into this, isn't Freeza incapable of hold back in his true form to a point that low? If he is wouldn't that make his suppression useless?

Scratch that, I remembered something even better. Freeza's short flashback in the manga to when he destroyed planet Vegeta, the one where he recognizes Goku and remembers Bardock, actually shows him nuking the planet in his first form, just like in the TV special. I'd say that answers that question.

Yeah, but my doubt was if Freeza's speech gives the intent that he actually killed the King personally. I'm not sure if he did would neglect the other though.

[dbgtFO]

^ That is even worse than blowing a planet through ki.

But do we really know first-form Freeza can destroy a planet besides the special? I mean, Freeza at 70% of his power and holding-back couldn't destroy Planet Namek.

Freeza wasn't at 70%, when he destroyed Namek's core, he was at 50%. He didn't go beyond 50% until after he blew up the core.

And Freeza said, that Bardock was the one, who fought until the end, when he destroyed Planet Vegeta, and then we see 3rd suppression Freeza kill Bardock.
I always interpreted that as Bardock dying just like he did in the special.
We even see a shot of him in front of the planet, so I don't see why many people, who usually are to be found on those comicbooks forums claim, that 3rd suppression Freeza didn't do it, and that he instead powered up to his 100% form off panel just to do it.

[Kaboom]

But, I'm probably looking too deep into this, isn't Freeza incapable of hold back in his true form to a point that low? If he is wouldn't that make his suppression useless?

He is capable of controlling himself to a degree. Otherwise there would be no such thing as him fighting at "about a third" or "50%" or pumping up to "100%."

[Senzu_Bean]

But, I'm probably looking too deep into this, isn't Freeza incapable of hold back in his true form to a point that low? If he is wouldn't that make his suppression useless?

He is capable of controlling himself to a degree. Otherwise there would be no such thing as him fighting at "about a third" or "50%" or pumping up to "100%."

Yeah, but can he go under the initial power of his true form? I believe he cannot.

And Freeza said, that Bardock was the one, who fought until the end, when he destroyed Planet Vegeta...

Uuhmm... does that mean Vegeta's destruction is different from the special?

[Fox666]

Freeza did not destroy Namek because Namek was huge. The same way they can't travel through Namek in a instant like they did on Earth.

• 180 is enough to destroy the moon
• 18,000 is enough to destroy the Earth
• 60,000,000 is enough to destroy Namek, but not instantly
• Super Perfect Cell has enough power to destroy the solar system

[Senzu_Bean]

Freeza did not destroy Namek because Namek was huge.

He didn't destroy Namek cause he hold back too much.

[Super Vegito]

Freeza did not destroy Namek because Namek was huge.

Um??? I thought it was because Frieza held back too much, because he was afraid of destroying himself in the process?

[dbgtFO]

And Freeza said, that Bardock was the one, who fought until the end, when he destroyed Planet Vegeta...

Uuhmm... does that mean Vegeta's destruction is different from the special?

No, it's exactly the same, we even got Bardock floating right in front of Planet Vegeta, and Freeza firing that same attack at Bardock, as he did in the special.
People who say that it can't be counted are people, who only want to downplay the strength levels of the Dragonball characters.
It's typically seen, when there is a vs. debate like Goku vs. any DC or Marvel character over at some of those comic books forums.
It's pretty stupid to be honest, especially the claim, that Freeza can't destroy planets easily, and that he is only able to do it, when he unleashes a full powered attack while at 100%.

[Senzu_Bean]

And Freeza said, that Bardock was the one, who fought until the end, when he destroyed Planet Vegeta...

Uuhmm... does that mean Vegeta's destruction is different from the special?

No, it's exactly the same, we even got Bardock floating right in front of Planet Vegeta, and Freeza firing that same attack at Bardock, as he did in the special.

But then isn't Bardock the only Saiyan that goes against Freeza on the special? Freeza seems to have killed the King personally and by your post Freeza indicates Bardock wasn't the only one to face him.

[dbgtFO]

But then isn't Bardock the only Saiyan that goes against Freeza on the special? Freeza seems to have killed the King personally and by your post Freeza indicates Bardock wasn't the only one to face him.

Freeza just says, that Goku looks like the Saiyan who fought until his demise, when he destroyed Planet Vegeta.
It's true, that Bardock was the only Saiyan other than King Vegeta to attack Freeza in the special.
And if you look in the background of the manga panel of Bardock floating in space, you see, that the other characters aren't Saiyan.

[Senzu_Bean]

It's true, that Bardock was the only Saiyan other than King Vegeta to attack Freeza in the special.

The King didn't attack Freeza in the special, did he? I recall he attacked Freeza on filler but now that I think about it what was the reason for his attack?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

^To take control of everything. He was tired of following Freeza's orders.

[dbgtFO]

It's true, that Bardock was the only Saiyan other than King Vegeta to attack Freeza in the special.

The King didn't attack Freeza in the special, did he? I recall he attacked Freeza on filler but now that I think about it what was the reason for his attack?

I worded that more badly than intended
No King Vegeta did not fight Freeza in the special IIRC.

[Hellspawn28]

Arale too but leave her out.

Dr. Slump is not canon to Dragon Ball, so trying to powerscale it would be pointless since they live in two different worlds. The closet thing we saw Freeza destroying Planet Vegeta in the manga where we see him pointing his finger down in a flash back when he was talking about killing all of the Saiyan race.

The reason why not all of Ki attacks blow up Planets because of ki control since Vegeta would blast the Earth apart when he use his Final Flash he wanted too but had the attack charge torwards at Cell instend. Not to mention it been stated that Mecha Freeza can blow up the Earth in one shot as well. I'm not sure if that would be hyperbole or not?

[gotensottile]

Well, Jackie Chun could blow up the moon, so I think that the many times stronger Kuririn and Yamucha could blow up Earth.