So what makes Broly "Legendary?"

[Dayspring]

The whole SSJ legend states that there will be a Saiyan every 1,000 years who completely surpasses everybody else in the Universe. Here comes the Saiyan transformation, making us think Goku is that legendary figure. Roughly a year later, we meet Trunks. Then later still, Vegeta is SSJ. A couple weeks more and people are going SSJ-G2 and SSJ-G3.

At this point, it's commonly believed that the legend is nothing but. But then along comes Broly and ZOMG! He can transform into the Legendary SSJ... which is nothing but another SSJ-G3. So what makes him the Legendary SSJ? What makes him a cut apart from the other SSJs? Is it the Green-haired "half-SSJ" form he posseses? Is it the fact that he was born a BP of 10,000?

I'm starting to think it's nothing. He's a Saiyan who, when in SSJ-G3, is stronger than Piccolo and the SSJs, who in turn are the strongest beings in the Universe. Thus, he meets the condition of the legend simply by being a Saiyan who is the strongest in the Universe.

[Nazi Cola]

His own unique transformation, being born with a BP of 10,000, and being a Super Saiyan before Goku. That's what I attribute it to.

[Kaboom]

I'll quote myself from an earlier thread:

As far as I'm concerned, there's two different aspects to being the "Legendary" Super Saiyan.

The LSSj condition - Taking what we've seen with Broly, your power just grows and grows without having to do anything. Eventually though, your body can only channel so much and you still hit your limits to what you can use at any given time.

The LSSj stage - What we've seen with Broly is essentially his own glorified version of Super Saiyan Grade 3. Though it's taken even farther, so you could possibly label it as 'Super Saiyan Grade 4.' He's got a crapton of power, but can't handle it properly. It just ends up being pumped into the same flawed, un-mastered "beyond the Super Saiyan" that Vegeta and Trunks were using for a while.

More or less, what makes him "Legendary" is the same trait, whatever it may be, that had him born with a PL of 10,000, and caused him to just continuously gain power over the course of his life without having to do anything for it. Possibly a one-in-a-million mutation.

[dbgtFO]

Didn't Vegeta state, that "Legendary Super Saiyans" were ruthless or something in that movie?
He originally stated that, when Goku fought Ginyu, but due to none of the Super Saiyans living up to that claim, he applied it to Broli.

[lash]

Broly has a Legendary SSJ transformation not SSJ grade 3, despite similarities. That's why he's called the Legendary SSJ imo.

[Super Vegito]

The Legendary Super Saiyan is suppose to be a killing machine, who is unrivaled in power. Which is exactly what Broly was in Movie 8 (even as a child, he was insane with power, destroying everything in his path).

It mostly comes from Paragus indirectly calling Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan though. After Goku finds out, he mentions to Vegeta of Broly being the one he's looking for. Then Vegeta confirms him being "the Saiyan of legend", after Broly transforms and he's scared shitless.

[Fox666]

That's what the plot said so.

After the Freeza saga, a "legendary Super Saiyan" don't make much sense. And that opened a hole for the movie fill.

It's quite frustating that Broly is not really that strong... since we have Super Saiyan 3 it sort of dismiss the value of the "legendary" thing... but hey, one of the video games has a "Legendary form" over the "Super Saiyan 3" for Broly.

[cpd12589]

His own unique transformation, being born with a BP of 10,000, and being a Super Saiyan before Goku. That's what I attribute it to.

What Nazi Cola said. That LSSJ form is not the same as SSJ grade 3. Broly when in his LSSJ form does not lose speed but may actually gain speed and gains huge amounts of strength and power. There's no drawbacks to his LSSJ form as apposed to the SSJ Grade 3 form losing a lot of speed and draining energy very quickly.

[Super Vegito]

^ Not to mention LSSJ is an actual transformation, and not achieved by just pumping Ki into his muscles. Also, LSSJ appears to come from within Broly (it bursts out of him).



So although USSJ and LSSJ may physically look identical, they're completely two different things.

[Suupaa Gohan 2]

The way I see it, if you don't want to take the easy way out ('the movie isn't canon, so in the Manga Gokou was the LSSJ, and then the legend's value just got lost later when everyone else could transform'), then Gokou was only considered the LSSJ because no one knew about Brolli. It was believed by everyone that the only Saiyajin still alive were Radditz, Nappa, Vegeta, and Kakarotto. So in that sense, both Brolli and Gokou were 'The Legendary Super Saiyajin' at different times and among different circles. Once they discovered Brolli's existence, it was like 'oh, my bad, it wasn't Gokou after all'. I agree that what makes Brolli legendary is that his form is special - and since this was before SSJ2 and SSJ3 had presumably been unlocked by anyone (if Brolli was the first SSJ then at the time our heroes fought him he did have the ultimate SSJ form), it was definitely a cut above the 'regular' SSJ half the heroes had achieved. He was born with an insane power level and always had a thirst for destruction since he was a child. That fits the description of the legend.

Depending on how long the Saiyajin race had been around, and how long that legend existed, maybe Brolli wasn't even the first to fit it - 'legendary' does not necessarily mean 'first'. The legend is that once every 1,000 years a Saiyajin will come along who is absurdly strong and thirsts for destruction. A lot of real-world legends are based in reality, or the beliefs old cultures observed and tried to explain things they didn't understand about the world. The legend never said there would only be one SSJ, just that only one would appear every thousand years (which is proved wrong by our heroes but that's only because they surpass what was thought to be the limits of the Saiyajin race). So let's say that every thousand years - and years could be longer or shorter than they are on Earth, mind you - we did get one of those Brolli types who was born with an insane power and lust for blood. He probably ends up destroying himself, unable to control his own power, and continues to sustain the legend. It's like Bigfoot. Some people will swear up and down that they've seen it, that it exists. Other people may not have seen it, but still believe. Others still may dismiss it entirely, saying it's just a legend and there's no proof. But that's still enough to keep a legend going. Brolli could just be the most recent to our timeline (being born at the same time as the main character, and among the last born before Planet Vegeta was destroyed) Saiyajin to fit the legend, so since he's the only one we see in any media besides our heroes, we think of him as the Legendary Super Saiyajin. He could easily just be a Legendary Super Saiyajin. It might be some sort of genetic anomaly that only appeared as rarely as every 1,000 years that caused a Saiyajin to be born so much more powerful than the general capabilities of the race.

I don't think our heroes and the eventual 'Super Saiyajin bargain sale' violates that legend, precisely because they're so different. Even if you ignore the halfbreeds, we know that Gokou was a special case and Vegeta was, before Gokou beat him, the elite-of-the-elite among Saiyajin, so his power was amazing too. They both kept pushing themselves and surpassed the limits of the majority of their race. They were special cases, and can't be used as the yardstick with which to measure the Saiyajin race. As much as millions of fanfic authors want to believe otherwise, there are a lot of statements made in the series indicating the Saiyajin were not all that strong by comparison to other races (like some of Freeza's minions) and were only to be feared if they were to band together, or potentially for their Oozaru forms. It makes perfect sense that the Saiyajin culture would have a legend about this incredible warrior that may or may not exist, because it was something so far and above beyond what they were capable of. Basically, Brolli can be the Legendary Super Saiyajin without having to be the strongest Saiyajin, because that legend didn't account for how immensely powerful Gokou and co. would become. Make sense?

Hell, just to expand the possibility for crackpot theories - we don't know much about female Saiyajin or Saiyajin culture, but for all we know there was no rule for monogamy. We don't know who Gokou's mother was. We don't know who Brolli's mother was. We just know that Bardock had at least two sons, Gokou and Radditz, who survived the destruction of the planet. Who's to say Brolli can't be Gokou's brother by the same mother, even with different fathers? If Brolli's legendary power level at birth was a genetic anomaly that got passed down from the mother's genes...maybe they both got it. But while it was immediately apparent in Brolli, maybe it was dormant in Gokou. Gokou's blow to the head is the only reason he didn't become a bloodthirsty monster, and we all know his power surpasses all imagination. Perhaps they were both born with the same 'Legendary Super Saiyajin Gene' if there is such a thing, and it just played out differently. I'm not saying I necessarily believe this (I kinda just made it up on the spot), but I don't see any reason it can't potentially be true, either.

[Eire]

Who's to say Brolli can't be Goku's brother by the same mother, even with different fathers? If Brolli's

legendary power level at birth was a genetic anomaly that got passed down from the mother's genes...maybe they both got it.

Which way? Sex chromosomes or mitochondrial DNA? mtDNA usually isn't responsible for "visible" features (just some rare and usually lethal diseases) and is inherited by all descendants in mother line, so it could make a huge amount of children like that for 1000 years

The chance of inheriting features set up by sex chromosomes is too high to appear only within 2 boys and also

But while it was immediately apparent in Brolli, maybe it was dormant in Goku.

Anticipation in that case is usually associated with father's genes, so they are not that ways.

If we consider "Genetic theory of LSSJ" I have two other types:
Epistasis- the LSSJ gene need other genes to be activated, there are so many of them that it happens very rare
Quantitative trait locus-many genes responsible for strength and combat skills accumulate. In that case parents of medium strength can with some luck produce strong child. It seems to be the most accurate one

Or maybe different features that accumulate to create LSSJ are inherited in many different ways.
(Man, that stupid biology finally can be used in good way:P)

[Super Vegito]

^ Are you trying to apply scientifical logic to Dragon Ball? I lol'd. It just doesn't work in the land of fighting Jaw Breakers, flying people, and kids strong enough to wrestle dinosaures. But that's just me.

[Eire]

Errr... so what else is everyone trying to do here at all?

BTW I think that Brolly had to be drugged all the time- my reason refuses to understand such a reasons of his behaviour.

[SonEric84]

...because his power is maximum?

Seriously though, I thought it was just because he was born with a high power level and was able to reach a higher grade of Super Saiyan and still be able to use it without slowing him down too much. Like what happened with Trunks when he bulked up against Cell.

[Cipher]

There's only one of him on each save file, and he cannot breed.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

There's only one of him on each save file, and he cannot breed.

Unless it is with a Ditto, and even then you only obtain a deformed and less powerful version of him.

[Piccolo Daimao]

There is no "legendary Super Saiyan". Goku never was one. Just because he was the first we saw in the series to do it doesn't make him any different from a regular Super Saiyan--same with Broli. They're just Super Saiyans, just as much as Vegeta, Trunks and Gohan are. Broli's only seen as one because he's a steroid-overdosed nutjob with a mental retardation who beats the fuck out of the Z-Warriors. If you're going to say Broli's "the LSSj" just because he has a special form, then you might as well say Goku is because he has Super Saiyan 3, which is much stronger than LSSj and SSj2.

[Hellspawn28]

I see Broly LSSj transformation nothing more then a USSj2 with a different hair color, and some power up that he grows stronger with anger. There is really nothing Legendary about him, the title of the movie was just there to hype him up.

[hleV]

There is no "legendary Super Saiyan". Goku never was one. Just because he was the first we saw in the series to do it doesn't make him any different from a regular Super Saiyan--same with Broli. They're just Super Saiyans, just as much as Vegeta, Trunks and Gohan are. Broli's only seen as one because he's a steroid-overdosed nutjob with a mental retardation who beats the fuck out of the Z-Warriors. If you're going to say Broli's "the LSSj" just because he has a special form, then you might as well say Goku is because he has Super Saiyan 3, which is much stronger than LSSj and SSj2.

Broli is the Legendary Super Saiyan (non-canon, though) because TOEI made him to be one.

[Super Vegito]

Errr... so what else is everyone trying to do here at all?

Explain what makes Broly the Legendary Super Saiyan (transformation, power, appearance, circumstances, etc). lol