Killi System

[dbgtFO]

SSJ Gotenks being placed below Vegeta, on the other hand, doesn't make a lick of sense.

Tell that to the Daizenshuu...

[jackjack]

Do you agree with what the daizenshuu implies or what?

[Senzu_Bean]

Trunks suggests Super Saiyan Gotenks is even with Fat Buu and I honestly don't see a reason to discard his judgment.

Furthermore unless I'm forgetting something nothing implies Gotenks remained for 30 full minutes in Super Saiyan 3 inside Buu, since all that Buu says is he can only use Super Gotenks power for a limited amount of time. And Piccolo came on top of Buu after that.

EDIT:

He states to Gohan before beating him up yet again, that he only has 10 mins. left.

Yeah, that is right. Doesn't change anything though.

[dbgtFO]

Do you agree with what the daizenshuu implies or what?

No.
But since it's more official, than our theories, people who argue SSJ Gotenks < Vegeta basically have more hard evidence, than we have.

Furthermore unless I'm forgetting something nothing implies Gotenks remained for 30 full minutes in Super Saiyan 3 inside Buu, since all that Buu says is he can only use Super Gotenks power for a limited amount of time. And Piccolo came on top of Buu after that.

Buutenks used Gotenks SSJ 3 power all throughout, since it isn't stated or shown otherwise and he used the full 30 mins.
He states to Gohan before beating him up yet again, that he only has 10 mins. left.

[p123]

IMO Manga Statement Implications > Daiz , but maybe that's just me. I'm not an idiot, I can see what is being implied , or at least I think I can .

Yes the Buutenks issue is certainly a major issue. We have a lot of varying issues.

1) Buutenks can use a fighters full power regardless of form. Which would mean Piccolo > SSJ Kids. Meh...

2) The kids suggest that SSJ3 use is so strong it cancelled their fusion after 5 minutes ( Trunks in the Rosat ) then we see against Super Buu, he returned to base first. Meh...

3) If Buutenks can't use full power of someone in base, then SSJ3 Gotenks remained a SSJ3 throughout the transformation, meh....


All ideas are illogical. Gotta pick which one suits your POV.


I think Gotenks remained a SSJ3 inside of Buutenks for whatever the hell you want to make up that sounds good type of reasoning.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I think Gotenks remained a SSJ3 inside of Buutenks for whatever the hell you want to make up that sounds good type of reasoning.

...Majin Buu is a freaking magic blob that is able to turn people into food, cancel Potara fusion, regenerate from a single cell/ashes/smoke, absorb people, etc. It isn't that hard to believe that being in Majin Buu allows Gotenks to remain as a SS3 and ignore the normal downsides of the form.

[p123]

You definitley qualified for the " insert reasoning here " winner. That is a fine explanation. The point is we choose the right answer, and try our best explanation to suit what we know is likely right.

[Bussani]

...Majin Buu is a freaking magic blob that is able to turn people into food, cancel Potara fusion, regenerate from a single cell/ashes/smoke, absorb people, etc. It isn't that hard to believe that being in Majin Buu allows Gotenks to remain as a SS3 and ignore the normal downsides of the form.

This actually makes a lot of sense, depending on how you look at it. Buu's body could be taking the strain that would normally fall on the Saiyan's body, and Buu's stamina never seems to run out. If it weren't for Gotenks' 30 minute time limit, Buu could probably keep pumping out that power indefinitely.

[p123]

Now what do you think on this issue?

For example, I don't think South/Dai are inside of Good Buu anymore, I believe they have been completely absorbed and are one with Good Buu.


Now, do you think that could be something done over time, or is it because of Dai's influence?


As in like is Gotenks/Gohan/Piccolo essentially immortal as long as they are inside of Buu? Do you think they would be completely absorbed, as in like dissolved over say a million years or something?

[Bussani]

That's an interesting question to ask. Buu can restore himself even when reduced to smoke, so what happens to the people inside him? Would they become smoke, too, and then get reconstructed with the rest of him? Or would they die/become permanently one with him if he were reduced to that state and came back from it? Or maybe his insides are like their own, separate, nonsensical dimension?

The second option seems interesting to me. Buu came out of his ball in the form of smoke before reforming. If that's how he's stored, maybe the Kaioshins got all mixed up and merged into him while he sat in there like that over the centuries.

[p123]

Jesus, Buu has so many angles huh. And there is no need to really apply logic to him either, he's pretty much anything goes. That's the thing with magic and magical beings. Really shows how hard of a time AT had trying to come up with something that topped Cell IMO. Which is why Super 17 is such a stupid idea@H!

[Piccolo Daimao]

That's an interesting question to ask. Buu can restore himself even when reduced to smoke, so what happens to the people inside him? Would they become smoke, too, and then get reconstructed with the rest of him? Or would they die/become permanently one with him if he were reduced to that state and came back from it? Or maybe his insides are like their own, separate, nonsensical dimension?

The second option seems interesting to me. Buu came out of his ball in the form of smoke before reforming. If that's how he's stored, maybe the Kaioshins got all mixed up and merged into him while he sat in there like that over the centuries.

It's magic.

[painfuldeath]

Erm... not to stick my hand in the fire here but wasn't this supposed to be a thread about the Kiri thing-a-majigs.

[p123]

Yea good point.

1 killi = 1 million IMO.

Killi works just like the power scouter, but it's just on a much higher level.

[Bussani]

It's magic.

Indeed, all three possibilities I listed were magic.

[buutenks]

Well people get the base gotenks>majin vegeta cos gotenks survived..duh ofc he survived,plot reasons...

Ofc lets say he is stronger that would mean that either 1 ssj transformation dropped from 50 to like 3 or 2 or Super buu is close to 500 times stronger than ssj3 goku....

My opinion has always been that ssj gotenks pre and post is below ssj3 goku and ssj3 gotenks is around 2-3 times stronger than ssj3 goku.

[Kaboom]

Well people get the base gotenks>majin vegeta cos gotenks survived..duh ofc he survived,plot reasons...
Ofc lets say he is stronger that would mean that either 1 ssj transformation dropped from 50 to like 3 or 2 or Super buu is close to 500 times stronger than ssj3 goku....
My opinion has always been that ssj gotenks pre and post is below ssj3 goku and ssj3 gotenks is around 2-3 times stronger than ssj3 goku.

Please don't bump a thread that was five years old just for a single response. One that's borderline incomprehensible, at that. Please put more care into your spelling, grammar, and all-around legibility for future posts.