Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[rereboy]

Its simply a law of nature and logic. Adult bodies are stronger than infant bodies.

This is Dragon Ball. Gohan grew weaker by the Boo arc, when he'd be classed as having an adult body.

If you actually had read my previous posts you would have realized that Cell arc Gohan power was the result of his intense during various years as much as it was due to his potential.

His adult body gave him more strength, but not enough to compensate the power he lost because he didn`t train.

Even in real life if a 12 year old kid trains intensely and then never trains until he is 17, its possible that he was actually stronger and more capable in a fight at 12 years old than he is at 17, even though we can all agree that a 17 years old boy will normally be stronger than his 12 year old self.

Conclusion: just because Gohan lost power (due to not training), we simply can not assume than a character doesn`t gain power simply because his body matures into adulthood.

Since Goten and Trunks hardly ever trained (except for the fight with Super Buu), its perfectly logical to assume they would have more power as adults even without training, because all their power as kids was just naturally there without hardly any training at all, its almost all natural.

And, as I`ve already stated, Dragon Ball doesn`t contradict that law of nature that states that adult bodies are naturally stronger than infant ones (even in the Gohan case) and even endorses it, as I`ve demonstrated by the examples I stated. So it makes no sense to say that its Dragon Ball, as if that would mean that is not the case in Dragon Ball.

[p123]

This is Dragonball though. Body size means nothing. Gohan was way stronger than Brock Lesnar would ever be as a friggen 4 year old. Body size means nothing, ki is everything.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Its simply a law of nature and logic. Adult bodies are stronger than infant bodies.

This is Dragon Ball. Gohan grew weaker by the Boo arc, when he'd be classed as having an adult body.

*snip*

The whole "Gohan wasn't as strong as he was 7 years ago because he couldn't access his potential" or whatever theory is baseless. He was specifically stated to be weaker than his Cell Games self because he hadn't trained. You're saying that Gohan's adult body gave him more strength, but not enough to compensate for the power he lost because he didn't train. Isn't that contradicting yourself? He got more powerful, but wasn't as powerful as before?

Perhaps Gohan became more capable in a battle, due to having a body more suited for battle, in terms of shape, physique and everything getting bigger in a general sense. But in terms of strength? No, because it was stated right there in the manga that Gohan got weaker, and that's nothing to do with Gohan being special or anything--Goku and Vegeta specifically stated that it was because he didn't train, and I don't see how it would be intended to be taken any other way.

Oh yeah, and see what p123 said. I'm not entirely sure Dragon Ball considers the laws of body size and whether body growth goes hand-in-hand with body strength. At 12-15 years old, Goku was much stronger than the others, who were adults by that time (Yamcha, Tenshinhan, Kame-sennin). And at the 22nd Budokai, Goku and Tenshinhan were equal, yet it didn't look like Goku's child body was a disadvantage to him because he was keeping up and doing damage to Tenshinhan. Doesn't Tenshinhan say or imply that Goku is stronger than him? And even after the match, Tenshinhan said something like Goku should've won.

[p123]

Agreed Piccolo.

[dbgtFO]

The whole "Gohan wasn't as strong as he was 7 years ago because he couldn't access his potential" or whatever theory is baseless. He was specifically stated to be weaker than his Cell Games self because he hadn't trained.

Goku specifically stated, that if he became angry enough he would mobilize the same power he had, when fighting Cell and maybe even more.

And Gohan later on says, that he isn't able to trigger the anger and is therefore unable to reach the same power he had vs. Cell.

I actually agree with Rereboy here.

[rereboy]

Focus on my real life example.

A man will be stronger at 17 years old than at 12 years old simply because his body grows stronger.

But if at 12 years old he had trained very much he could possibly have been stronger at 12 years old than he is now at 17.

And if after training that hard, he simply never trained again until he became 17, he possibly would have been stronger at 12 years old than his 17 years old self with lack of training because, even though he now has a 17 year old body which is naturally stronger than a 12 year old body, his lack of training is such that he was actually stronger when he was 12 years old and was perfectly trained.

This is pretty much the case with Gohan.

Why is this not the case with Goten and Trunks? Because unlike Gohan who had trained almost non stop since he was 4 years old to the time of the Cell games, Trunks and Goten hardly ever trained.

Gohan is the 12 years old boy who trained intensely and then just didn`t train again.

Trunks and Goten are the boys who never really trained and had just their natural power.

Therefore, like normal boys, they will actually grow stronger when as their bodies reach adulthood.

Gohan doesn`t because a vital part of his power was taken out of the equation. His training. So he gets weaker. Trunks and Goten don`t have this problem because almost all of their power is natural and not gained/reached/accessed by training. This is the vital difference you are missing here.

And this also why Vegeta said in the previous page of DBM that they don`t deserve the power they have. Why? Because they didn`t have to work hard for it like Goku and Vegeta, almost all of it was just naturally there.

I mean, at least admit that this is a viable, possible and coherent take on the subject, even if you don`t agree with it. That is just what DBM is trying to do here... Its using its interpretation of the manga on what would happen to Gotenks when he became an adult, its not meant to be the truth or canon.
Just accept that its a viable, possible and coherent take on the subject by a fan work (because it is) and lets just move along to other subjects, since this one has already been discussed extensively.

[p123]

As far as I know Goku told Gohan to get angry, and that no one can beat him if he's angry. Which is more of a motivational thing anyhow, but were did you get that quote from?

[dbgtFO]

As far as I know Goku told Gohan to get angry, and that no one can beat him if he's angry. Which is more of a motivational thing anyhow, but were did you get that quote from?

Goku's final qoute from here..
Gohan stating he isn't angry enough...
And yeah they are in japanese, but you own Viz translation right? It should be the same.

[p123]

It says what I said it said. Lol. In the other post. What's the japanese translation? What you said it was?

[dbgtFO]

It says what I said it said. Lol. In the other post. What's the japanese translation? What you said it was?

Don't know the exact translation, Herms or anyone else capable of japanese might know it.
In my version(danish) Goku's final quote translates as:

1st speech bubble: "Get angry, Son-Gohan! Remember your fight against Cell! It's that power you have to mobilize/attain!"
2nd speech bubble: "Then noone in the universe will be able to beat you! Noone!"
^This is a very literal translation. What does the Viz version specifically say??

[p123]

Yea that's fine. He's talking about turning SSJ2 of course. What else would you think?

[dbgtFO]

Yea that's fine. He's talking about turning SSJ2 of course. What else would you think?

Well obviously, but the point was to counter Piccolo Daimao's claim of "Gohan getting weaker because he couldn't access his potential", being baseless, when manga statements show us it's not.

[p123]

Yea I'm with Piccolo on this DG. Can't agree with you on that.

[JulieYBM]

Yea that's fine. He's talking about turning SSJ2 of course. What else would you think?

Super Saiyan 2 isn't inherently Gohan's hidden power.

[p123]

Yea it's not.

[Scarz]

[Great Saiyaman I]

Well, I was completely wrong. Since Vegetto was commenting, I'm guessing the one we saw defuse is the one from U16. If that's true, then all that's left to be seen is whether or not the other Gotenks defused.

[Puto]

I'm assuming they both defused at once, which automatically disqualifies both at once. Should be interesting :lol:

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I agree, both of them will probably get disqualified. Also, I think the bird in the Wushu uniform's joke got lost in translation a bit.

[goku the krump dancer]

Salagir's theory on SSJ3 makes no sense to me.