Originally fan of the dub now a fan of the japanese version.

[T Pac]

Having a good excuse doesn't make it any less terrible to watch.

[Gaffer Tape]

Except that it's... not terrible to watch? Otherwise... most of us wouldn't be here in the first place...? Because we never would have become... fans of the series...?

[penguintruth]

Having a good excuse doesn't make it any less terrible to watch.

You're right.

But Funimation has much less of an excuse why their dub was fucking horrible. And what little excuse they do have (inexperience) doesn't make it any less terrible to listen to.

[T Pac]

Having a good excuse doesn't make it any less terrible to watch.

You're right.

But Funimation has much less of an excuse why their dub was fucking horrible. And what little excuse they do have (inexperience) doesn't make it any less terrible to listen to.

Absolutely.

Like most, I vastly prefer the original to the Funi dub. But that has nothing to do with any set of principles -- I don't inherently really care if they changed stuff they "shouldn't" have. I only care if they made the show better or worse. In the case of the Funi dub, they did the latter about 99% of the time. On the other hand, if they had been able to produce the current Kai dub (including the removal of the awful filler) at the time, I would have praised them for improving the show.

As far as Toei, they had no choice -- timing forced them to add scenes to the show, and the result was said filler being added to the show. But that doesn't make what they added any better or worse. I would hate the filler just as much, even if they had a choice and decided to add it anyway. I'd hate Toei a lot more, but it wouldn't affect my judgment of the show itself.

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

I hate arguments like these more than any filler in any anime.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I've got to agree with this. Toei didn't do a good job adapting the comic into a show, so I don't see why FUNimation gets so much flak for doing a bad job adapting that adaptation, when Toei did a horrible job as well.

Really? I take it you don't watch a lot of Anime. Apart from filler (which was neccessary at the time), Toei's adaptation is extremely faithful. The animation can get a little iffy at times, but that's what happens with a show as long as Dragon Ball Z.

[Godo]

OP: "I was once a Christian but I converted to Islam"

Response 1: "This makes me cry out of joy"

Response 2: "Way to go! Finally another person converting to the true source!"

Response 3: "Eh, what's wrong with Christianity?"

Response 4: "Duh, it's just WRONG! Way to go man!"

In some way this thread reminded me of religion and converting to one religion that is in majority in a society and the response that the converted gets. Maybe Dragonball is kinda like religion for some of you ("I am inspired by Goku", "When I train I think of Vegeta and his hardships" ect.). Just an interesting thought I had.

[Lord Exor]

Lord Exor, leitmotifs are meant to be developed and changed in the music. I can only think of two motifs that were used in that style in the Faulconer score, that being Cell's and Buu's. And I will definitely agree that they were used to very good effect there. Are there other examples where a theme was written and then developed and altered (which is what a leitmotif is supposed to do), or do they simply play the same track again? Its been a while since I've seen the dub, so my memories of the music are a bit fuzzy.

Kikuchi does actually utilize several distinct motifs that are developed and used in different situations. I think that this is part of the reason why some of Kikuchi's critics claim to "hear the same thing over again" because he's using the same themes in different ways.

Here's three examples of a Kikuchi leitmotif. They use the same theme, but each one is used for a different effect.

So, basically, they're both cool composers, with their own quirks. I happen to prefer Kikuchi's, as it feels more unique.

Frieza, Cell, Buu, Ginyu Force, Gohan's themes, the Earth theme, the Trunks theme that wasn't actually used for Trunks, King Cold's theme, Android 17/18's theme, heck, even Mr. Shu's theme; I could go on and on. They are were all permuted and developed.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

I agree with you on everything, except for this. I don't suppose you find someone with long nails scratching on a blackboard aurally pleasant aswell? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how you can like them. I can tolerate them, but liking them is lightyears out of the question.

Nozawa's yells are amazing! Somehow, she makes Goku seem even more "badass" than any of the English voices were able to. (Well, Kelamis sounded pretty rad in DBZ movie 2.) Maybe you've just got sensitive ears, dude? I don't understand why anybody thinks Nozawa sounds annoying. Very unique voice.

[dbgtFO]

I don't understand why anybody thinks Nozawa sounds annoying. Very unique voice.

Neither do I. I honestly couldn't imagine anyone, but Nozawa voicing him(in japanese).
Goku doesn't sound like an old lady to me. He sounds like, what Goku should.
That's just my opinion though.
I do respect people who are of a different opinon.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I agree with you on everything, except for this. I don't suppose you find someone with long nails scratching on a blackboard aurally pleasant aswell? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how you can like them. I can tolerate them, but liking them is lightyears out of the question.

Nozawa's yells are amazing! Somehow, she makes Goku seem even more "badass" than any of the English voices were able to. (Well, Kelamis sounded pretty rad in DBZ movie 2.) Maybe you've just got sensitive ears, dude? I don't understand why anybody thinks Nozawa sounds annoying. Very unique voice.

Okay, the part about the blackboard was a bit of an exaggeration. But I still am of the opinion that Nozawa's screams can get annoying at times.

[Taku128]

I've got to agree with this. Toei didn't do a good job adapting the comic into a show, so I don't see why FUNimation gets so much flak for doing a bad job adapting that adaptation, when Toei did a horrible job as well.

Really? I take it you don't watch a lot of Anime. Apart from filler (which was neccessary at the time), Toei's adaptation is extremely faithful. The animation can get a little iffy at times, but that's what happens with a show as long as Dragon Ball Z.

But the filler completely ruins any pacing the show has. There was no reason Toei had to adapt the series simultaneously with the manga, they could've waited until enough time had passed that they'd never even get close to catching up, and then made an adaptation that doesn't add a bunch of needless shit.

[TripleRach]

To replace the original music with other music is deeply disrespectful to the source material. It's like spitting in the face of the people who made the show.

They made Five Minutes, Bulma and the Crab, Garlic Jr...they deserve it.

I've got to agree with this. Toei didn't do a good job adapting the comic into a show, so I don't see why FUNimation gets so much flak for doing a bad job adapting that adaptation, when Toei did a horrible job as well.

It's not their job to fix or improve supposed problems. Their job is to translate the series and release it in the US.

If FUNimation thinks they can do a better cartoon than Toei did, then they should hire some animators and do it. Not fuck around with another show's animation to show off their amazing writing and musical skills.

[jjgp1112]

I agree with you on everything, except for this. I don't suppose you find someone with long nails scratching on a blackboard aurally pleasant aswell? I'm sorry, but I just don't understand how you can like them. I can tolerate them, but liking them is lightyears out of the question.

Nozawa's yells are amazing! Somehow, she makes Goku seem even more "badass" than any of the English voices were able to. (Well, Kelamis sounded pretty rad in DBZ movie 2.) Maybe you've just got sensitive ears, dude? I don't understand why anybody thinks Nozawa sounds annoying. Very unique voice.

Uh...I guess...because...they do...?

[Rocketman]

Very unique voice.

Unique is not always good.

[EDITED: Yes sir, sorry, sir!]

[VegettoEX]

Oh, please. If you people can't converse properly, I'm just going to start deleting posts and warning accounts. You know better than this -- Rocketman in particular, you've been warned several times. Enough is enough.

[Garlic]

Just watched the episode where Yamchua dies.It was truly moving with Mayumi Tanaka`s performance with the rest of the cast.Currently I'm watching the episode where Nappa powers up against the Z fighters.

[Gaffer Tape]

That was one of my first fansubs, and the Saiya-jin fight is one of my favorites in the series, so I've always loved those episodes. Actually, I think I first saw them as clips on Castor's site back in the day, which is what made me really want to get those episodes when I first started buying fansubs.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

I used to be a fan of the Japanese version but now I'm a fan of the dub. Life is strange that way huh?

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

But the filler completely ruins any pacing the show has. There was no reason Toei had to adapt the series simultaneously with the manga, they could've waited until enough time had passed that they'd never even get close to catching up, and then made an adaptation that doesn't add a bunch of needless shit.

Fair point. I guess Toei was in a rush to make money off the series.