How strong is Kid Trunks and Goten?

[Fox666]

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[dbgtFO]

Yes. Gohan in the future as a SSJ lost to #17 with mere half of his power.

What do you mean? Is this a reply to Kaboom about not being a minimum amount of power required to be a FPSSJ?
Because I don't understand your comment at all.

[Godo]

A being at Semi-Perfect Cell's level would trash someone at 18's level, so they don't have to be at a Cell Games FPSSJ level.
They don't have to be that strong in other words.

[Senzu_Bean]

Someone at #17 or Super Piccolo level should be enough to kill #18 with a ki attack. They surely cannot be that much stronger than her, otherwise they won't be at disadvantage even with no legs and would just tank her attacks.

[Kaboom]

Someone at #17 or Super Piccolo level should be enough to kill #18 with a ki attack. They surely cannot be that much stronger than her, otherwise they won't be at disadvantage even with no legs and would just tank her attacks.

I agree. They're most likely stronger than her, but if they were THAT much stronger, then a simple thing like being on each other's shoulders and somewhat-restricted by clothing wouldn't be enough of a factor to impede them against her. If Eighteen's a 10, then as Super Saiyans I'd wager them no more than a 12.

[Fox666]

What do you mean? Is this a reply to Kaboom about not being a minimum amount of power required to be a FPSSJ?
Because I don't understand your comment at all.

Sorry, I misread the post before mine.

[Nazi Cola]

I agree. They're most likely stronger than her, but if they were THAT much stronger, then a simple thing like being on each other's shoulders and somewhat-restricted by clothing wouldn't be enough of a factor to impede them against her. If Eighteen's a 10, then as Super Saiyans I'd wager them no more than a 12.

Wait, then why would Gohan have any trouble at all with Goten? I understand he was rusty and hadn't done crap for 7 years, but he still would've been a lot more experienced and a ton more powerful than Goten if Goten is only that much more powerful than #18 as a Super Saiyan. I don't think SSjin Gohan would have any trouble at all handling #18 at that point in time, even considering his rustiness. The power gap alone would make up for that IMO.

[dbgtFO]

I agree. They're most likely stronger than her, but if they were THAT much stronger, then a simple thing like being on each other's shoulders and somewhat-restricted by clothing wouldn't be enough of a factor to impede them against her. If Eighteen's a 10, then as Super Saiyans I'd wager them no more than a 12.

Wait, then why would Gohan have any trouble at all with Goten? I understand he was rusty and hadn't done crap for 7 years, but he still would've been a lot more experienced and a ton more powerful than Goten if Goten is only that much more powerful than #18 as a Super Saiyan. I don't think SSjin Gohan would have any trouble at all handling #18 at that point in time, even considering his rustiness. The power gap alone would make up for that IMO.

Gohan was REALLY rusty!
He had trouble dodging a rock thrown by base Goten, so his reflexes are shit, and so would his fighting skill be, when he hasn't fought in the last 7 years.
And his travel speed is also shit, 3000 km/h(1875 miles/h) or something?
Not impressive at all, considering Goku travelled Snake Way(1 million kilometers/625,000 miles.) in 27 hours or so, which gives him an average speed of 37.037 km/h(23,148 miles/h).

[Piccolo Daimao]

I agree. They're most likely stronger than her, but if they were THAT much stronger, then a simple thing like being on each other's shoulders and somewhat-restricted by clothing wouldn't be enough of a factor to impede them against her. If Eighteen's a 10, then as Super Saiyans I'd wager them no more than a 12.

Wait, then why would Gohan have any trouble at all with Goten?

The same reason Vegeta had trouble with and got hit by Trunks. He was surprised at how strong the kid was.

[Nazi Cola]

Then I guess it would be said he lowered his power down to a pretty low level, huh. That combined with his shittastic reflexes after all these years could work, I guess...

[Kaboom]

He's having a sparring match with his little brother, not engaging in a life-and-death battle. Of course he's not going to be using all of his power. As such, Goten would surprise him. Same for Vegeta and Trunks.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

The problem is, didn't Gohan say that Goten and Trunks might surpass him soon, if he didn't train hard?

[jackjack]

Piccolo's very impressed when he sees their full power. They can't be that weak. I would place them on Piccolo's level or above (Semi Cell tier at bare minimum).

[dbgtFO]

The problem is, didn't Gohan say that Goten and Trunks might surpass him soon, if he didn't train hard?

I think he states something like that in the 6th panel.

[Bussani]

The problem is, didn't Gohan say that Goten and Trunks might surpass him soon, if he didn't train hard?

Couldn't you just take that to mean, "If they're this strong at only age 7, how strong are they going to get?"

[Senzu_Bean]

The problem is, didn't Gohan say that Goten and Trunks might surpass him soon, if he didn't train hard?

Couldn't you just take that to mean, "If they're this strong at only age 7, how strong are they going to get?"

It has to be, unless they are going to achieve Super Saiyan 2 in that one month of training.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Piccolo's very impressed when he sees their full power. They can't be that weak. I would place them on Piccolo's level or above (Semi Cell tier at bare minimum).

Bullshit. "Impressed" does not equate to "stronger than me". I'd like to see you argue that base Goku was stronger than Freeza because he was impressed by him. Piccolo was impressed by the kids' power the same way Vegeta and Trunks were impressed by their power. The only thing you can say for sure about their power is that they're strong enough to give #18 trouble in a tournament.

[cpd12589]

In their base form they're strong enough to give C18 trouble but in their SSJ forms they're much more powerful than her.

[Piccolo Daimao]

In their base form they're strong enough to give C18 trouble

#18 was still under the impression that she was fighting an Earthling.

[Kaboom]

They never "gave her trouble" before transforming. They were completely on the defensive, and never landed a single hit on her. #18 was in complete control of the fight and showed absolutely no signs of stress or considerable effort. The most they ever got out of her was thinking to herself, "he's strong, despite his weird appearance."

At least, that's how it was in the manga (lookin' at it right here). I don't know if or how the anime "embellished" things though.