Ocean Studios' "Dragon Ball Kai" Dub Turns 15; Still Unreleased

[penguintruth]

Because the Ocean dub is bound to be better than Funimation's.

That remains to be seen. Er, heard.

Funi's Kai dub, though very much improved from their Z dub, still suffers major problems (Kaio & Ox King to name 2 of the most obvious) If there can be a Kai dub with the Ocean's voices, with good direction and good scripts, it will be amazing. And by amazing, that means the Ocean dub will leave Funi's dub in its dust. At the end of the day we watch DBZ because we like it, we enjoy it. Ocean's dub provides so much more enjoyment than Funi's and that's one of the reasons why it's much more important.

I say the same thing about the Ocean DBZ cast as I do the Funimation DBZ cast. There were a couple of good performers and a lot of terrible ones.

Better scripting or not, I imagine some recasting would be necessary to make it a dub that lives up to Funimation's.

I don't think Ocean is really any better as a dub studio than Funimation. They're both pretty middle of the road overall.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Because the Ocean dub is bound to be better than Funimation's. Funi's Kai dub, though very much improved from their Z dub, still suffers major problems (Kaio & Ox King to name 2 of the most obvious) If there can be a Kai dub with the Ocean's voices, with good direction and good scripts, it will be amazing. And by amazing, that means the Ocean dub will leave Funi's dub in its dust. At the end of the day we watch DBZ because we like it, we enjoy it.

You seem to be pretty confident that the Ocean Kai dub will have accurate scripts and retain the previous voice actors. Heck, it hasn't even been confirmed in the first place.

Ocean's dub provides so much more enjoyment than Funi's and that's one of the reasons why it's much more important.

That's your opinion. Stop saying it like it's fact. Especially when more people have watched or are fans of FUNimation's dub

[RazorX]

Better scripting or not, I imagine some recasting would be necessary to make it a dub that lives up to Funimation's.

That is setting the bar too low for Ocean.

I don't think Ocean is really any better as a dub studio than Funimation. They're both pretty middle of the road overall.

Ocean are at the top when it comes to DBZ. But it's not just DBZ, I see nothing but praise from fans for Ocean's dub of Death Note, same for Inuyasha.

You seem to be pretty confident that the Ocean Kai dub will have accurate scripts and retain the previous voice actors. Heck, it hasn't even been confirmed in the first place.

Read the wording of my post, I said "if"

That's your opinion. Stop saying it like it's fact.

I knew you'd react that way, that is why I put the small print. It was there for you to read, if you're gonna reply to posts, the least you could do is read them.

Especially when more people have watched or are fans of FUNimation's dub

Didn't you just have a go at me for presenting something as fact, now you're trying to do the same thing, rather hypocritical, especially straight afterwards.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

I knew you'd react that way, that is why I put the small print. It was there for you to read, if you're gonna reply to posts, the least you could do is read them.

I apologize. I didn't see the small print. But your other post -- "Ocean's dub of Kai is far more important than Funimation's dub of Kai" -- was phrased like a fact aswell.

Didn't you just have a go at me for presenting something as fact, now you're doing the same thing, rather hypocritical, especially straight afterwards.

I don't see what the problem is, that is fact. Okay, I can't prove it conclusively. But it's really common sense.

[ohaimynameiserik]

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Especially when more people have watched or are fans of FUNimation's dub

Didn't you just have a go at me for presenting something as fact, now you're trying to do the same thing, rather hypocritical, especially straight afterwards.

What he said was factual.

The show was a much bigger hit in the states, and its highest ratings were when FUNimation was dubbing it in house.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

[VegettoEX]

Don't sarcastically post to provoke and with tiny text that people are going to miss. Either say what you mean and mean what you say... or don't even bother posting in the first place. I can't even begin to fathom how that isn't apparent to regular members yet.

[RazorX]

I apologize. I didn't see the small print. But your other post -- "Ocean's dub of Kai is far more important than Funimation's dub of Kai" -- was phrased like a fact aswell.

I posted my follow up of that on the base of that post because it had the words "as far as I'm concerned" but I think I should've worded it clearer on the post where I put the small print.

I don't see what the problem is, that is fact. Okay, I can't prove it conclusively. But it's really common sense.

Far from being common sense, it doesn't make sense when you consider what happened with both dubs in Europe. We've already been through this argument and it didn't get anywhere.

What he said was factual.

The show was a much bigger hit in the states, and its highest ratings were when FUNimation was dubbing it in house.

Sorry to rain on your parade.

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Ocean's ratings were at their highest when Ocean were dubbing it post Android saga and the Ocean dub was far more successful in Europe.

[penguintruth]

I doubt the reason for the popularity of DBZ is because of either English dub. More people were watching it because word caught on about the show.

As for the "stating opinions as facts", everybody knows what an opinion is, and to an extent, we all think we're right with our opinions, no matter how clued in we are in the difference between fact an opinion. We all do it. Every one of us. You included. It's why our friends are generally like-minded folks, because as humans, we like to feel that our way of thinking is justified. Stop feigning the high road.

"Derp, you claim your opinions are facts!" Nobody's actually doing that. They're simply implying they have better taste. Claiming the other person is saying their opinions are facts is basically saying you've run out of arguments to the contrary.

[Puto]

I see nothing but praise from fans for Ocean's dub of Death Note, same for Inuyasha.

I'll give you that the Death Note dub is utterly amazing and brilliantly done, but I don't like Inuyasha's dub - name mispronounciations all over the place.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Far from being common sense, it doesn't make sense when you consider what happened with both dubs in Europe. We've already been through this argument and it didn't get anywhere.

Let me get this straight. FUNimation's dub aired in Australia, the U.S.A and New Zealand. Ocean's dub aired in Canada, the U.K and the Netherlands. How is that not common sense?

[sven-]

I think it speaks for itself that a second english dub of Z was made because people heavily complained about the Funi dub. I don't care if you prefer the Funi or Ocean dub but fact is that Funimation wasn't meant to do dubbing. Ocean Studios is a professional dubbing company. Funimation is not. And we can all hear that. I don't understand that we Ocean fans always have to defend ourselves. Same on YouTube. The war wasn't started by us.

[Kaboom]

There will be no such carrying of any "war" to this forum. The whole thing is dumb and it's bad enough where and how it is already.

[Daimo-Rukiri]

The second dub was only made because of the ratings, but they didn't care enough to give them a decent budget. Sure, nobody liked season 3(well I hated it) but it got better as it went on.
The same thing is happening with Kai, why do they have to change the BGM? And I'm pretty sure it's only getting a TV release.

The fact is both English dubs(of Z) were horrible in their own regards, both used horrible scripts that were far from accurate and practically being the same at times or most of the time for that matter.
Well if were talking about accuracy anyway.

It's been 6 months since we got anything about a Ocean Dub for Kai, is there any actual confirmation on what company has it or if this is all one big prank?

[sven-]

It's sad that episodes 108 - 276 were only to be released on TV, therefore had lower production values and lower budget. Episodes 1 - 53 however were unmatched and show clearly the decency and quality of Ocean Studios.
Even with a decent budget, Funimation nowadays is not capable of creating something getting close to those first 53 epic episodes. Yes, Funimation has improved, but it's still not enough.

[Garlic]

It's sad that episodes 108 - 276 were only to be released on TV, therefore had lower production values and lower budget. Episodes 1 - 53 however were unmatched and show clearly the decency and quality Ocean Studios can offer.
Funimation nowadays even with enough money is not capable of creating something getting close to those first 53 epic episodes. Yes, Funimation has improved, but it's still not enough.

Are are you fucking serious Both dubs were originally crap and had corny and innacurate dialouge.Also replaced BGM,shitty sound added effects,THE NEXT DIMENSION,.I could go on but thats not considered a good dub by my standards.

[linkdude20002001]

Ocean Productions had nothing to do with the music/censorship/scrip. Okay, some of the writing staff were the actors, but it's still FUNi's fault for them not being faithful to the Japanese script). The acting in the first two seasons were quite good, and as were the voices. There were some that I feel were unfitting, and Gokuh wasn't portrayed properly, but overall, it was excellent acting/casting for a dub that had such an inaccurate script.

[Garlic]

Ocean Productions had nothing to do with the music/censorship/scrip. Okay, some of the writing staff were the actors, but it's still FUNi's fault for them not being faithful to the Japanese script). The acting in the first two seasons were quite good, and as were the voices. There were some that I feel were unfitting, and Gokuh wasn't portrayed properly, but overall, it was excellent acting/casting for a dub that had such an inaccurate script.

I'm aware of that so don`t worry but the main thing a dub should do is stay close to the original authors intentions.In short neither was accurate but there were some some good performences like Scott mcneil`s Piccolo and others.

[sven-]

It's exactly as linkdude is telling you. Ocean Productions was hired for their major voice talent. And about the BGM, yes it was replaced by a score composed by Shuki Levy, but an excellent score nonetheless. Seriously, don't start about BGM. Should I mention Bruce Faulconer and his work!? lol

[Garlic]

It's exactly as linkdude is telling you. Ocean Productions was hired for their major voice talent. And about the BGM, yes it was replaced by a score composed by Shuki Levy, but an excellent score nonetheless. Seriously, don't start about BGM. Should I mention Bruce Faulconer and his work!? lol

My problem with both scores is they both don`t know when to shut up.

[Kaboom]

I've laid this all out before in this topic but I'll say it one more time to remind everyone how it is.


Both dubs of Dragon Ball Z produced by FUNimation and Ocean are decidedly sub-par. They are so for a variety of reasons, many of which are shared between them. With the onset of Dragon Ball Kai, FUNimation has now proven themselves better than they once were by producing a dub for the series which is at the very least acceptable and respectable, if not excellent. It remains yet to be seen whether or not the Ocean-produced dub of Kai will match or exceed FUNimation's efforts, if it will exist at all.


Those are the only facts of the situation. We don't need constant back-and-forths about, in essence, which figurative old pile of dung stinks less, because that serves no purpose and only leads the discussion astray.

I'm considering closing this thread until we get some actual news. The thread has been aimless for quite a few pages now.