Disproving the 120 number

[Kaboom]

No, just more surprising and unexpected. I think you missed the point of my example.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Battle wise Goku/Piccolo are the only ones noted to gain power after dropping their shirt. I don't know how I'm wrong.

That's battlewise, which has nothing to do with the context of this discussion. Krillin's Battle Power was around 1,500--fast-forward: he removes his weighted shirt and suppresses his Chi, while urging Gohan to do the same to reduce the chances of them being caught. There's no reason for everything to be outright stated when some common sense can be applied. What's Gohan going to say? You got a bit stronger? Considering they were crying over what a monster Freeza was after going by, it didn't matter.

So, unless you're going to begin to say Krillin was wearing weights to look cute, it carries the same effect it would for anyone who bothers to wear them.

Kuririn has never removed clothing and then stated to be stronger because of that. It just never happened. If you want to bring up a link when this happened during a battle I will agree with you. It just didn't happen though.

Read above.

[p123]

No , I think it is you who missed the point. Nowhere is it suggested that Kuririn/vegeta/Nappa are amazed at the power because of the user. They are amazed at the power. Which is the point.


Just look at Piccolo throughout the series, and Goku against Raditz. That's what I expect from weighted clothing user. Although, I don't mind checking this theory out. When does Kuririn exactly remove his shirt? What is the reasoning behind his removing the shirt, does the shirt hit the ground in a heavy manner? Is Kuririn preparing for battle when he removes the shirt? Or is it just a matter of convenience. What page or what part of the story does Kuririn remove his shirt. Does Kuririn ever remove his shirt for any other battles besides on Namek? Androids Saga Kuririn , how is his clothes looking? You could be right, but I really seriously doubt AT would have made this big huge secret hidden Kuririn increases his power without weights thing.

But yea, I will check it out, just help me see the light...

[Fox666]

Freeza transforms! My power is over a million! Oh wait, it's not right now, but hold on, in two more powerups it will be! Right...

That doesn't proves anything.

Kuririn- ZOMG Gohan's Masenko so ZOMG Powerful. Oh wait, it's not even stronger than Piccolo, who was just killed, and never made Nappa nervous at all. Oh wait, Nappa is nervous about the 2800 blast, but that doesn't make sense, since he took out a 3500 guy with one shot. Hmm...

Nappa is nervous with Kuririn's hits too. What's your point?

Hell no... 1500 whether it's over,about,barely, etc should be right around that number. Considering how if he was 1600 he should say that and if he was 1400 he would say that.. About 1500 should fall in a small range perhaps 1450-1550 range ..

Seriously? Are you gonna creates rules about how words like "around" works?

When has Kuririn been suggested to have taken his clothes off, or powered up from doing so? Never. If Kuririn wore the weights throughout training and took them off after training, that's fine, it means nothing to this discussion.

It means that you are completely wrong is saying that Kuririn is 1,500. Of course you was wrong to being with, since it was stated as "around 1,500".

[p123]

That doesn't proves anything.

It doesn't. But it sure as hell makes your arguement seem awfully silly, which is the point my dear Fox....

Nappa is nervous with Kuririn's hits too. What's your point?

Nappa has varying levels of nervousness. Why don't you post them if you don't believe me. Look at Nappa's face for Kuririn/Piccolo/Gohan's Masenko/Goku's Initial Scouter Reading. I will be waiting.

Seriously? Are you gonna creates rules about how words like "around" works?

As far as I know , the word is about. Not around. And yes, AT has shown that one word means one thing,and another means another thing.

It means that you are completely wrong is saying that Kuririn is 1,500. Of course you was wrong to being with, since it was stated as "around 1,500".

I wouldn't go that far. Kuririn is ABOUT 1500. Nothing more nothing less.

[Kaboom]

Okay, I didn't wanna have to do this, but I've been left with no choice.

Gohan (During the battle with Nappa): 981
Kuririn (During the battle with Nappa): 1770

Factor in a healing-boost for Gohan after the battle on Earth, and a month of Ki-building image training on the way to Namek...

Gohan (Arrival on Namek): 1150
Kuririn (Arrival on Namek): 1850

(1150 + 1850) / 2 = 1500

There. They both got stronger and Zarbon, living calculator that he is, averaged them to get "about 1500." This way the official levels work, and we don't have to feed our insatiable urge to fight the man and look dumb. Now can we be over that particular nitpick?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Just look at Piccolo throughout the series, and Goku against Raditz. That's what I expect from weighted clothing user. Although, I don't mind checking this theory out. When does Kuririn exactly remove his shirt? What is the reasoning behind his removing the shirt, does the shirt hit the ground in a heavy manner? Is Kuririn preparing for battle when he removes the shirt? Or is it just a matter of convenience. What page or what part of the story does Kuririn remove his shirt. Does Kuririn ever remove his shirt for any other battles besides on Namek? Androids Saga Kuririn , how is his clothes looking? You could be right, but I really seriously doubt AT would have made this big huge secret hidden Kuririn increases his power without weights thing.

But yea, I will check it out, just help me see the light...

After they saw Freeza and his henchmen fly off to get the dragon balls, Krillin removed it. So, it's after Vegeta battled with Kiwi; in the middle somewhere. Krillin removed his shirt for the battle with the Saiyans, too--but no one, aside from Piccolo, removed anything against the Androids. Before they beat on Freeza's henchmen, they weren't planning to engage in battle with anyone.

[p123]

Okay, I didn't wanna have to do this, but I've been left with no choice.

Gohan (During the battle with Nappa): 981
Kuririn (During the battle with Nappa): 1770

Piccolo thinks that Gohan can finish Nappa. Gohan is likely around Kuririn's power. Piccolo/Kuririn were both supressed so why wouldn't Gohan be?

Factor in a healing-boost for Gohan after the battle on Earth, and a month of Ki-building image training on the way to Namek...

Gohan never receives a significant zenkai until he fights Freeza. I'm ok with him receiving some increase, but nothing significant . The training has some play to it though...

Gohan (Arrival on Namek): 1150
Kuririn (Arrival on Namek): 1850

(1150 + 1850) / 2 = 1500

There. They both got stronger and Zarbon, living calculator that he is, averaged them to get "about 1500." This way the official levels work, and we don't have to feed our insatiable urge to fight the man and look dumb. Now can we be over that particular nitpick?

Doubtful IMO. They are both referenced to be awfully close without either one getting the nod, if anything Gohan gets the nod from winning him image training and Kuririn talking about Goku's blood.

An example like this would be better for Gohan/Kuririn Post Guru. Which Gohan is suggested > Kuririn, yet they are both coupled over 10,000.

Kuririn 10,500
Gohan 12,500

Something like that would be warranted since Gohan > Kuririn was clearly suggested.

Nothing suggests a big difference in Gohan/Kuririn for their 1,500 battle power reading though, and if anything like I said Gohan would be stronger, and he was way stronger than 981 against Nappa.





@Super Saiyan Turlast


Generally I need something conclusive like Kuririn is stronger now or something of that manner, but I will check it out. Kuririn could have been hot, or any number of reasons... But I will check it out..

[Fox666]

It doesn't. But it sure as hell makes your arguement seem awfully silly, which is the point my dear Fox....

Nope. And it is a very arrogant kind of sarcasm, considering the baseless of your argument.

Freeza states he is 530,000 in his first form, despite that he not fought Nail with full power. What's the difference in this case? (And I don't even know why I even care about putting an example, I don't think Toriyama would ever care if Freeza is or not at full power when stating his battle power)

Nappa has varying levels of nervousness. Why don't you post them if you don't believe me. Look at Nappa's face for Kuririn/Piccolo/Gohan's Masenko/Goku's Initial Scouter Reading. I will be waiting.

I don't care about that subject. Nappa is nervous all time. Kuririn is surprised all time. For me that stuff serves as much evidence for Piccolo's battle power as the color of his shirt.

As far as I know , the word is about. Not around.

Aren't these synonymous? About, around, roughly, almost, nearly, slightly, close to, somewhat... since it's a translation, any of these is correct.

And yes, AT has shown that one word means one thing,and another means another thing.

Vegeta: "Geez, what a pitiful guy... To be killed by guys with battle powers slightly over 1,000 at most..."

Call the police of roundness to arrest Toriyama! <_<

[Kaboom]

If we all can't have a discussion without resorting to blatant sarcasm and image macros, then we won't have a discussion at all.

p123: For Dende's sake, I wasn't even serious. I'm just trying to show how this whole "I don't think this makes sense so therefore it MUST be wrong" trend is ridiculous. If you can make up "rules" to show that something's wrong, then I can just as easily make up theories to show that it's not.

[p123]

Freeza states he is 530,000 in his first form, despite that he not fought Nail with full power. What's the difference in this case? (And I don't even know why I even care about putting an example, I don't think Toriyama would ever care if Freeza is or not at full power when stating his battle power)

Exactly, Freeza states he won't use full power. If he didn't I would be lead to believe he was using full power. Instead, we know he is not going all out against Nail. Later we see Freeza power up twice and go after Vegeta, logically even though it wasn't stated, Freeza used full power here since nothing suggests otherwise.

I don't care about that subject. Nappa is nervous all time. Kuririn is surprised all time. For me that stuff serves as much evidence for Piccolo's battle power as the color of his shirt.

And that's the problem IMO. You should see what the intent of the things that are going on are. It's still a story, it has to use things that regular stories use, dramatic effect, build up, climactic endings and such.

Aren't these synonymous? About, around, roughly, almost, nearly, slightly, close to, somewhat... since it's a translation, any of these is correct.

Why vary from the official word? Your going to argue about that? Really? Use the official dialogue, it's the best method.



For Dende's sake, I like that. Lol. Well it's just my POV, if I think something is a shitton more logical from this POV, why can't I express it? What should I do to better get my POV across without getting into these heated debates?

[Fox666]

It's Herms' translation, it's nowhere official. And there is no official English word for it.....

For Dende's sake, I like that. Lol. Well it's just my POV, if I think something is a shitton more logical from this POV, why can't I express it? What should I do to better get my POV across without getting into these heated debates?

I agree, I am wrong on this, as Kaboom pointed. I am really sorry.

But please, read what you said yourself... "I wouldn't go that far. Kuririn is ABOUT 1500. Nothing more nothing less." what answer am I supposed to give you? I don't understand that

[p123]

It's Herms' translation, it's nowhere official. And there is no official English word for it.....

Dude, Herms is official...

I agree, I am wrong on this, as Kaboom pointed. I am really sorry.

But please, read what you said yourself... "I wouldn't go that far. Kuririn is ABOUT 1500. Nothing more nothing less." what answer am I supposed to give you? I don't understand that

I think we debated so much I forgot the issue. What are you wrong about ? No need to be sorry, just a heated debate, I'm trying to learn for it not to get so heated. I'm still working on it. Some people I debate with, it's effortless, and we make progress quickly, others we start argueing over the small finer details just to prove each other wrong. It appears ours has gone to the latter, which I'm half responsible I'm sure. I would like to just debate and make progress, I don't know how to debate any differently then I'm doing now. But your right the about/barely/over/ etc thing is more of a theory of mine, and something you could probably agree with, but not when pushed on such a factual level as I'm doing now.

Nothing really malicious between the two of us, but the sarcasm and tension is definitley noticeable. Let's try to just get to the business, I'm ok with that, perhaps if we both just take a step back things would go more smoothly and we could be more productive...

[Fox666]

Dude, Herms is official...

I could say better than that, considering the "official" translation are the english mangas

[Nazi Cola]

Then Herms' is more accurate, I would say, rather than official.

[Fox666]

Well, that's what I mean with "better". But my English is not very good

[p123]

No wonder I can't understand a word your saying, your english sucks! I kid , I kid... But yea Herms word is the NEW official. Lol. Until we start finding out that the translators were really Dabura lovers / Gotenks haters and the real truth starts coming out! Lol..