The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by Puto » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:17 pm

xzero wrote:- This would pretty much cover everyone. Don't like the filler? Skip it with chapter selection. Like the Kikuchi score? You've got it. Like the Faulconer score? Here you go.
- The dub would be basically perfect, or as close to perfect as we're going to get (plus, more Chris Ayers as Freeza)
Dub fans would miss Nadolny's Gohan and Young's Freeza, so it wouldn't really cover everyone...
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by Zephyr » Mon Dec 20, 2010 8:22 pm

This
jjgp1112 wrote:Whenever FUNimation makes a Dragon Box with the dub music, I suppose
plus this
penguintruth wrote:A definitive set would be the Dragon Boxes with an English track done by the Kai cast with an accurate script. Until then, the current Dragon Boxes.

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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by Piccolo Daimaoh » Mon Dec 20, 2010 9:52 pm

The Japanese Dragon Boxes, without a doubt. In terms of special features and extras, FUNimation's version pales in comparison.

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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by GotenDaisuki » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:09 pm

xzero wrote: Hypothetical
DVD Set released in 2 separate releases that includes:
Dragon Box footage; all of the episodes, movies, and TV specials for the Z era; 3 Audio Options: Japanese, English complete redub w/Kai cast and Japanese audio (with the audio panned to the front speakers a bit more; as it stands, it's too quiet), and English complete redub w/Faulconer audio all the way through (rearranged in parts to add some silence and eliminate the stupid tracks); 6 chapters per episode along the lines of the Funi singles; some extras, like behind the scenes at Toei or at least a few good specials on dubbing anime with the Funimation cast and crew

Reason
- This would pretty much cover everyone. Don't like the filler? Skip it with chapter selection. Like the Kikuchi score? You've got it. Like the Faulconer score? Here you go.
- The dub would be basically perfect, or as close to perfect as we're going to get (plus, more Chris Ayers as Freeza)
- Some extras are always a welcome bonus on sets like this
Ooh, yes, I like your thinking, your hypothetical choice would be a marvelous release, but I'm sure it would be expensive for an American release. I would totally buy them!
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by GotenDaisuki » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:15 pm

jjgp1112 wrote:
Bardo117 wrote:
jjgp1112 wrote:Whenever FUNimation makes a Dragon Box with the dub music, I suppose

And that it also includes the Spanish DUb.
While we're at it let's include every dub ever!

See the problem here?
Well, in terms of quality, that wouldn't be good. With every audio track added to a DVD, the video's bitrate falls a little bit lower, and lowers the video quality as well. If you want a set with every dub made, don't expect Dragon Box quality to accompany it.
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by sbk » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:33 pm

FUNi's Dragon Box sets are by far the best non-Japanese Dragon Ball Z release, and the best sets period for those that need subtitles.
Not having the broadcast BGM is worth the perfect video quality..

But FUNi's Dragon Box sets have 1-1.5 GB to spare on each disc, they could've easily included the broadcast BGM without having the video quality suffer. Kind of unfair how sub fans get perfect video quality and the dub fans get cropped oversaturated footage.

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Post by penguintruth » Mon Dec 20, 2010 11:51 pm

Because Funimation acknowledges its past practices were awful, and thus phased out the dub music.
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by GotenDaisuki » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:02 am

sbk wrote: But FUNi's Dragon Box sets have 1-1.5 GB to spare on each disc, they could've easily included the broadcast BGM without having the video quality suffer.
Or, even better, they could have slipped in some extras.
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Post by Bardo117 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:52 am

GotenDaisuki wrote:
Well, in terms of quality, that wouldn't be good. With every audio track added to a DVD, the video's bitrate falls a little bit lower, and lowers the video quality as well. If you want a set with every dub made, don't expect Dragon Box quality to accompany it.
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by cpd12589 » Tue Dec 21, 2010 2:51 am

I prefer the Remastered Uncut version the most. :/

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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by Great Saiyaman I » Tue Dec 21, 2010 10:45 am

cpd12589 wrote:I prefer the Remastered Uncut version the most. :/
So we got two remastered sets, you know. The Dragon Boxes or the season sets? I'm guessing the latter.
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by violadude » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:34 am

My hypothetical definitive set would be the dragon ball/z/gt/movie/Kai dragon box all with english subtitles and an english dub voice option.

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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by GotenDaisuki » Tue Dec 21, 2010 11:43 am

violadude wrote:My hypothetical definitive set would be the dragon ball/z/gt/movie/Kai dragon box all with english subtitles and an english dub voice option.
In Japan, there actually do exist "Dragon Box"-like Kai sets. They are Blu-ray format, come with Dragonbooks, and cost a little more than 100 USD each. I don't know how many are going to be released, however.

Dragon Box Z sets cost about 1000 USD each. 2 were released, so about 2000 USD for this portion.

The Dragon Box (Dragon Ball) set also costs about 1000 USD.

Dragon Box GT costs about 500 USD.

Dragon Box: The Movies also costs about 500 USD.

So, if this were to be released on Blu-ray, or DVD.... the price would total more than 4000 USD (not including Kai sets).
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by violadude » Tue Dec 21, 2010 12:03 pm

I would totally buy all the Japanese Dragon Box sets if they had subtitles on them, or if I knew Japanese.

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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by GotenDaisuki » Tue Dec 21, 2010 1:49 pm

violadude wrote:I would totally buy all the Japanese Dragon Box sets if they had subtitles on them, or if I knew Japanese.
As would I, but it's the content that counts. Subtitles aren't necessary if you are "fanboy" enough.
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Post by rereboy » Tue Dec 21, 2010 3:52 pm

GotenDaisuki wrote:
violadude wrote:I would totally buy all the Japanese Dragon Box sets if they had subtitles on them, or if I knew Japanese.
As would I, but it's the content that counts. Subtitles aren't necessary if you are "fanboy" enough.
Personally, no matter how much of a fanboy I am, I like to actually understand what is being said in a show. To me, the lack of subtitles in the JAP Boxes kill their usefulness.

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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by Kiyza » Tue Dec 21, 2010 4:31 pm

rereboy wrote:
GotenDaisuki wrote:
violadude wrote:I would totally buy all the Japanese Dragon Box sets if they had subtitles on them, or if I knew Japanese.
As would I, but it's the content that counts. Subtitles aren't necessary if you are "fanboy" enough.
Personally, no matter how much of a fanboy I am, I like to actually understand what is being said in a show. To me, the lack of subtitles in the JAP Boxes kill their usefulness.
I generally feel pretty comfortable watching it in Japanese without subtitles, like I did for Kai when that was on. I think I know the series well enough by this point to have a good grasp of what they're talking about, considering key words are pretty easy to pick out, like terms and character names. It doesn't bother me as much as it would with a series I'm not too familliar with or one I'm watching for the first time. Dragon Ball I've read/watched enough to know what's going on without translations for each and every line. But of course, subtitles are pretty nice to have around anyway. I just don't think a lack of them would render a series I know and love unwatchable.

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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by DinoChow » Thu Dec 23, 2010 3:32 am

I'm a Kai fan, but I'll admit the FUNI Dragon Boxes are the definitive set, from the perspective of a lover of the Japanese version. They default to that choice, look great, have good subtitles, proper episode names...it's absolutely perfect. Really wonderful release.

But like I said, I am a Kai fan, and I think the FUNI blu-rays of Kai are another great choice that is close-to-definitive. I enjoy this version of the show more, and my only complaints about the FUNi releases are that they default to English (which I understand, and it takes all of two seconds to change) and have English title cards. Other than that, I love them, and the picture quality beats the dragon boxes (since it's in HD).

Defintive release, hypothetically speaking? Dragon Box containing all 291 episodes of Z, all episodes of Kai, perfect English dub, and a magical spell that suddenly makes the original mono Japanese track transform into lossless 7.1 audio. :D
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by GotenDaisuki » Thu Dec 23, 2010 10:49 am

DinoChow wrote: But like I said, I am a Kai fan, and I think the FUNI blu-rays of Kai are another great choice that is close-to-definitive. I enjoy this version of the show more, and my only complaints about the FUNi releases are that they default to English (which I understand, and it takes all of two seconds to change) and have English title cards. Other than that, I love them, and the picture quality beats the dragon boxes (since it's in HD).
Well, I prefer watching the dub on Kai sets. The redone Japanese dub is great, but I adore the uncut English dub. The quality is pretty good, but the Dragon Box sets have a feel to them that makes the quality seem better. I always loved that film grain.
DinoChow wrote:...and a magical spell that suddenly makes the original mono Japanese track transform into lossless 7.1 audio. :D
That would be interesting... but, magic doesn't really work, and the mono will accompany the series forever and ever. It will always have that "aged" feeling to it no matter how great the video quality is. Hypothetically, that would be amazing, though.
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Re: The Definitive "Dragon Ball Z" Collection

Post by Adamant » Thu Dec 23, 2010 11:09 am

AgitoZ wrote: Well the English speaking portion at least. I don't think Japan is relying on FUNi for their DB fix. :P
The Funi boxes are far cheaper than the Toei boxes and singles, and the addition of an optional subtitle track and a shitty dub doesn't make it less desirable... so yeah, Japan would indeed have an interest in them. That's why you had to wait as long as you did. Toei didn't want people importing cheap alternatives to their stuff.
Puto wrote:Dub fans would miss Nadolny's Gohan and Young's Freeza, so it wouldn't really cover everyone...
And, you know, fans of something OTHER than the English Funi dub would miss their stuff. If you're going to include dubs in this "definite set", it wouldn't be definite unless you included every dub in every language ever made.
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