Hypothetical Piccolo/God situation

[Piccolo Daimao]

I was just thinking about a hypothetical situation. If God died of natural causes (such as old age) and subsequently Piccolo too, what would happen if they tried to wish Piccolo back to life with the Dragon Balls? Would Piccolo remain dead, since God died of natural causes and you can't wish someone who's died of natural causes back to life?

Also, would it be possible to break the life connection between Piccolo and God with the Dragon Balls?

[cpd12589]

Good question. I think if Kami died of old age Piccolo wouldn't die. I think that's the only way of breaking their bond without both of them dying.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Good question. I think if Kami died of old age Piccolo wouldn't die. I think that's the only way of breaking their bond without both of them dying.

I don't think so, because in the Saiyan arc, when God says that he feels he and Piccolo have only a year left to live, he says not knowing whether it's because Piccolo will be killed by the Saiyans or his natural lifespan will happen to run out at that time. Basically, he's saying that he thinks he and Piccolo will die in a year, and is considering one of the ways of them going being his lifespan running out.

And nothing suggests that dying of old age would break the bond between Piccolo and God.

[Kiyza]

I was just thinking about a hypothetical situation. If God died of natural causes (such as old age) and subsequently Piccolo too, what would happen if they tried to wish Piccolo back to life with the Dragon Balls? Would Piccolo stay dead, since God died of natural causes and you can't wish someone who's died of natural causes back to life?

I'd honestly think they'd both stay dead, because for one to be alive, the other would need to as well. If God passes away from old age, that would probably be Piccolo's cause of death too by extention, so it's likely they couldn't be wished back.

Also, would it be possible to break the life connection between Piccolo and God with the Dragon Balls?

Well, there's that all important rule that the dragon balls can't do anything that surpass their creator's power. Something tells me that would fall under that category.

[cpd12589]

Yeah I guess so. But that just really sucks for Piccolo then. lol

Although it didn't really matter after they merged back together.

Well in that case when Fat Buu separated into Good Buu and Evil Buu(Grey Buu) if one of them died would the other die as well? Cause Fat Buu's separation was different than when Vegeta ripped Good Buu out of base Super Buu. Good Buu was torn out of Super Buu whereas Fat Buu's separation was like Nameless Namek's separation.

So do you think if after Fat Buu separated into Good Buu and Evil Buu and Good Buu died that Evil Buu would also die or vice versa?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Also, would it be possible to break the life connection between Piccolo and God with the Dragon Balls?

Well, there's that all important rule that the dragon balls can't do anything that surpass their creator's power. Something tells me that would fall under that category.

Wasn't that wrong, since Shenlong can grant wishes, which God can't do? Wasn't that retconned in the Cell arc when Kuririn asked to make the Androids human, and Shenlong replied that they were too strong and powerful and when he was asked to wish away their bombs, he accepted it since it wouldn't change their fundamental being. I don't think breaking their life connection would change Piccolo or God's fundamental being, but the wish could be rejected on the grounds that both Piccolo and God are too powerful.

[Kiyza]

Wasn't that wrong, since Shenlong can grant wishes, which God can't do? Wasn't that retconned in the Cell arc when Kuririn asked to make the Androids humans, and Shenlong replied that they were too strong and powerful and when he was asked to wish away their bombs, he accepted it since it wouldn't change their fundamental being. I don't think breaking their life connection would change Piccolo or God's fundamental being, but the wish could be rejected on the grounds that both Piccolo and God are too powerful.

I've always seen the dragon's powers as sort of an extention of what their creator can do. While they can grant wishes, they're still subject to some sort of limitations. For instance, they don't seem to be able to destroy anyone who God couldn't defeat. It's just never really expanded on what that means. I don't think the rules about that sort of thing were ever retconned in any way. The wish for 18 to be human again just seemed to fall under a more expanded version of that rule. In other words, changing a cyborg to a normal human would be beyond God's power, and thus Shenlong's. That makes more sense than the rule about it be beyond God's power being ignored.

[cpd12589]

Well what about the Black Star Dragon Balls and Nameless Namek? Nameless Namek wasn't infinite in power. In fact he was far from it. Nail said if Piccolo were still Nameless Namek that he'd be able to defeat first form Frieza. Yet the Black Star Dragon Balls can grant ANY wish.

What's up with that?

[kaialone]

Well what about the Black Star Dragon Balls and Nameless Namek? Nameless Namek wasn't infinite in power. In fact he was far from it. Nail said if Piccolo were still Nameless Namek that he'd be able to defeat first form Freeza. Yet the Black Star Dragon Balls can grant ANY wish.

What's up with that?

Well,its GT so weird stuff is to be expected.I dont hate GT ,but some stuff in it just makes no sense (even less sense than usual Dragonball )

[Bussani]

I think the idea that the dragon balls can't grant a wish beyond the power of their creator is taken a bit literally. I doubt it means strength, because what would strength have to do with it? It can't mean abilities, because Shenlong can grant wishes that Kami couldn't. If you ask me, it has to do with how powerful their Dragon Clan abilities are.

[p123]

The whole story talks about if Kami dies then Piccolo dies. Seeing if Kami is unable to return to life, Piccolo cannot either , would be the standard POV from what we have.


But Piccolo is a mere plot device away from being disconnected because of reasons A/B/C why he could do it.


So going with the current line of thought the way the manga played out, Piccolo would not be able to return to life...


But if AT got in a sticky mess in where Kami died of natural causes early in the manga, I'm sure he would find some loophole to get Piccolo to come back even without Kami,..

[Sadako]

I don't think so, because in the Saiyan arc, when God says that he feels he and Piccolo have only a year left to live, he says not knowing whether it's because Piccolo will be killed by the Saiyans or his natural lifespan will happen to run out at that time. Basically, he's saying that he thinks he and Piccolo will die in a year, and is considering one of the ways of them going being his lifespan running out.

And nothing suggests that dying of old age would break the bond between Piccolo and God.

The thing that bugs me about this is if Kami dying of old age would mean Piccolo's death too, then why didn't Piccolo Daimao wish for both him and Kami's youth to be restored?

I mean it doesn't make much sense to me that he'd want to become young again just to die a few years later because his other half was still old.

[Kiyza]

The thing that bugs me about this is if Kami dying of old age would mean Piccolo's death too, then why didn't Piccolo Daimao wish for both him and Kami's youth to be restored?

I mean it doesn't make much sense to me that he'd want to become young again just to die a few years later because his other half was still old.

Obviously, the most logical answer was that God wasn't thought up at that point.

But other than that, perhaps it could be more attributable to not quite thinking ahead. What he seemed to be worried concerning old age was his strength and the fact that laying eggs would shorten his lifespan, though he does make a comment about wanting to rule Earth forever too. I guess the former two reasons were just more important than the latter, so he didn't mind wishing for eternal youth, just restoring it instead, and didn't bother making God young because he didn't care about that much either. And of course, when all else fails, he could just have a Piccolo-like kid to be his heir when his lifespan comes up short.

[Rocketman]

King Piccolo was planning to destroy the entire world over the next 40 years. He has no reason to want himself or Kami living for another five hundred years past that.