So what exactly does it take to become a ''Super Saiyan''?

[rereboy]

What I mean is that Gohan would be the guy, who looks like he is way more powerful than his opponent.
Not seeing the full fight of Goku vs. Piccolo - makes it look like, that Goku is easily the strongest.
Not seeing the full fight of Goku and Co. vs. Vegeta - makes it look like Yajirobe isn't that far from Vegeta in power.
Not seeing the full fight of Gohan vs. SSJ Trunks - makes it look like Base Gohan is a little stronger, than SSJ Trunks.

I know what you meant, I'm saying the art overrides that. Piccolo and Vegeta were obviously not at full power, while Goku was torn up and Yajirobe was still put down with a couple hits.

Gohan and Trunks have no battle damage or anything like that. Trunks is the one worn out while Gohan just defends.

Yes, and since Trunks is the one in SSJ, he would have to be worn out for Gohan to be able to match him in his base if their maximum power is anywhere close.

In other words, their training could have happened like this:

Trunks goes SSJ. His power is too great for Gohan to face without SSJ, so he turns SSJ too. However, in SSJ, Gohan is clearly superior to SSJ Trunks, so they fight and Gohan completely dominates the match, until Trunks is so tired and worned out, that Gohan can fight him in his base, which he does to make things more even.

So, instead of Gohan being superior to SSJ Trunks like it appeared, its possible, in fact, that he was only stronger in his base than Trunks in a really worned out SSj state and not his normal SSJ.

[dbgtFO]

What I mean is that Gohan would be the guy, who looks like he is way more powerful than his opponent.
Not seeing the full fight of Goku vs. Piccolo - makes it look like, that Goku is easily the strongest.
Not seeing the full fight of Goku and Co. vs. Vegeta - makes it look like Yajirobe isn't that far from Vegeta in power.
Not seeing the full fight of Gohan vs. SSJ Trunks - makes it look like Base Gohan is a little stronger, than SSJ Trunks.

I know what you meant, I'm saying the art overrides that. Piccolo and Vegeta were obviously not at full power, while Goku was torn up and Yajirobe was still put down with a couple hits.

Gohan and Trunks have no battle damage or anything like that. Trunks is the one worn out while Gohan just defends.

I see your point. I still don't take it to mean anything other, than Gohan was able to fight IMO a supposedly weakened SSJ Trunks, just like SSJ Trunks and SSJ Vegeta possibly could have fought Perfect Cell after his fight with Goku had cost him a lot of power or when the Cell Jr. actually weaker than Goku was able to beat him up, because he had already lost so much power.

[Fox666]

I think that it's too far fetched to say that Gohan is only a match for Trunks because before the fight, they had another fight while Gohan was SSJ...

I think that Toriyama made it consistent with the present time, were Trunks became SSJ at a very young age. However he gave a realistic progression of power for future Trunks, if at age 17 he is near Goku when he defeated Freeza, at that young age he has around 20,000...

[Piccolo Daimao]

Yeah, I also think it's a combination of the Saiyan's battle power and rage. A bit like what Rocketman said, only I'd say it doesn't have to necessarily be below 90,000, it can be around or over that, since Goku was said to have surpassed Saiyan limitations and so was the Super Saiyan. So at least stronger than 60,000.

I was also wondering whether Ozaru should be taken into account here. Jheese says no Saiyan's ever gotten near 60,000, but we have Vegeta, who on Earth was 18,000, and as an Ozaru who can control himself, would have a battle power of 180,000. That's even stronger than Ginyu. If you think about it, Ozaru Saiyans are pretty damn strong.

I think the instance with Base Gohan vs. SSj Trunks should be ignored, since it's...just weird anyway. We don't even see the full battle and right afterwards, Gohan says that Trunks might even surpass him in a few months.

I want to talk about the pure heart thing. I'm really doubting whether or not Future Trunks ever had a pure heart or not, since he certainly didn't seem as pure as Goku or Gohan. It's as if the rule just didn't take him into account. How is Trunks pure? How is any purer than the other Z-Warriors?
And the part that says "a danger to the Saiyan race" is interesting too. I was thinking about when Piccolo threw Gohan at that rock and because his emotions broke loose (you know, fear of getting his brain smashed in), he unleashed his hidden power. I wonder if it's like that with the Saiyans. So if Bardock was over 60,000, he may've become a Super Saiyan against Freeza.

And finally, Vegetto's got two dicks? Wow. Sex with Bulma, Chi-Chi, Videl and #18 must be the best...

(Seriously, though, has anyone made a hentai manga with Vegetto and the aforementioned women in it? 'Cos it sounds like such a golden idea. A two-dicked fusion of the two strongest Saiyans in existence has gotta be hot shit for girls.)

[Rocketman]

Seriously, though, has anyone made a hentai manga with Vegetto

No. Trust me, I've looked.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Seriously, though, has anyone made a hentai manga with Vegetto

No. Trust me, I've looked.

Wtf? I thought there'd bound to be one with him in. What a missed opportunity...

[Bussani]

Like Tenshinhan said, Super Saiyan takes a gigantic effort at first. Trunks could very well be tiring himself out just maintaining it, much like Gohan did at first in the Room of Spirit and Time.

[Garlic]

Vegetto had two penises? I thought he had half Goku's penis and half Vegeta's penis.

Eww, What is that a hentai manga

[Piccolo Daimao]

Like Tenshinhan said, Super Saiyan takes a gigantic effort at first. Trunks could very well be tiring himself out just maintaining it, much like Gohan did at first in the Room of Spirit and Time.

Just want to point out that Tenshinhan knows fuck all about Super Saiyan, other than the fact that it's a level of power far beyond his comprehension.

But yeah, you're right, if you're untrained with the form, it probably does take a gigantic effort to maintain it. I think Trunks had only recently transformed into a Super Saiyan, but his power was still enough to make Gohan think he may surpass even him in a few months. I mean, he could at least maintain the form enough to fight Gohan for a while.

But, you know, we don't see the full fight. I wish Toriyama had just drawn the scene as SSj Gohan vs. SSj Trunks, rather than confusing us by making us think SSj Trunks is ridiculously weak. Or just done it like the special and not have Trunks transform into a Super Saiyan until he finds Gohan's dead body.

[dbgtFO]

Like Tenshinhan said, Super Saiyan takes a gigantic effort at first. Trunks could very well be tiring himself out just maintaining it, much like Gohan did at first in the Room of Spirit and Time.

When does he state that?

Like Tenshinhan said, Super Saiyan takes a gigantic effort at first. Trunks could very well be tiring himself out just maintaining it, much like Gohan did at first in the Room of Spirit and Time.

Just want to point out that Tenshinhan knows fuck all about Super Saiyan, other than the fact that it's a level of power far beyond his comprehension.

But yeah, you're right, if you're untrained with the form, it probably does take a gigantic effort to maintain it.[...]

Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P7.2-7
[...]Vegeta: “Are you an idiot?...You don’t seem to think things over…They’ve judged that state as the best! If they get used to that as a matter of habit, then even if they raise their battle power, the strain on their body is very small! [ ] They’ve thought this through…”

Vegeta outright states, that FPSSJ is more efficient, than SSJ, because the strain is very small, implying that the strain, when using regular SSJ is very large.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Like Tenshinhan said, Super Saiyan takes a gigantic effort at first. Trunks could very well be tiring himself out just maintaining it, much like Gohan did at first in the Room of Spirit and Time.

When does he state that?

Huh. It seems this was a Vizism. In Viz, Tenshinhan says that he thought it took a gigantic effort to maintain Super Saiyan. In the original version, he says this:

Chapter: 391 (DBZ 197), P7.2-7
Tenshinhan: “…Hey, Goku and Gohan were Super Saiyans just now, right? But even so, they were very…how do I say this?...Natural-feeling…”

[the_abberration]

What I do know is, (well I hope ) that things can cause the transformation, or trigger them. For example, when Krillin is killed at the hands of Freeza, and Goku transforms, in a rage. But, my question is, why does he transform then? Was Krillin's death, that severe emotionally, that it caused him to transform then? For example, why didn't Goku transform when Krillin died for the first time in Dragon Ball, or even in some of the other times a character has died, and Goku had erupted in anger due to it?

Another thing that comes into play here is the feeling of helplessness/powerless, and the desire to have more power. When Krillin died in DB, Goku was upset he wasn't there. Krillin can be wished back (AFAGK) and Goku just wants payback by killing Tambourine. Being able to beat Tambourine strength wise isn't an issue to him, (and he only seems to lose out of hunger). There's never a feeling of Goku hitting a wall and needing something to overcome it in terms of power. When Freeza kills Krillin, Goku's maxed out(and Krillin can't be wished back this time AFAGK). He's reached his limits and if he can't do something right now, everyone is going to die. Then along with this (and all the other elements), he goes SSJ.

I would like to know how a Saiyan becomes a ''Super Saiyan''.

The closest analogy I can come to as to how Goku must have felt, would be fighting Magneto in Xmen: COTA. After losing to his cheesy a$$ a few times, you get a little angry but still have some hope you can beat him. After the 100+ time of losing to him, all hope is lost. But you dig deep inside yourself and get that burst of anger, desire, and need to beat him. Strengthened (SSJ), you battle him again and this time you own him and win.

Unless you never played it...then you can't feel my pain...urr...how this might relate.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Another thing that comes into play here is the feeling of helplessness/powerless, and the desire to have more power.

That's exactly how Gohan became a Super Saiyan in the anime. You could couple that with his anger that he couldn't help his friends and let them die.

[SilverPlaqueVII]

Well, Goku was up to 3,000,000 when he first attained the form. Vegeta was somewhat below that before Freeza killed him, but he must have been above 1,000,000 himself. I'd guess that the low millions may be the magic number.

As for the Original Super Saiyan, maybe he was just born with incredible power, kind of like Broli. Either that or he gained it some other way and the other Saiyans never learned how to imitate him. I mean, look at all the breaks Goku had to get to attain that much power: he trained with gods, in ridiculous gravity, drank magic strength-drawing-out water, abused magic-healing-beans to make the best of near-death-power-ups, etc.

On another note, Tenshinhan comments that remaining as a Super Saiyan was supposed to be a gigantic effort, but this changed when Goku and Gohan trained in the Room of Spirit and Time. It almost seems like Goten and Trunks were born like Goku and Gohan were at that point, Super Saiyan practically being second nature to them.

True, a 1000-year prophecy legend tells it all.