Super Saiyan 2 Transformation Score Possibilities

[Zionist]

I really can't imagine that scene without Gohan Angers :/

Here you go!

I gag'd.....just ew Surfin bird is better than that........imo

[penguintruth]

Like there's anything better than the original "Spirit vs Spirit" scene. It'll be difficult to beat, or even compete with.

[dbgtFO]

Like there's anything better than the original "Spirit vs Spirit" scene. It'll be difficult to beat, or even compete with.

So much truth in this quote!

[SolarBlade52]

I will miss "Spirit Vs Spirit"

[Asura]

I think something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYcwD3BfimI would work quite well, then again I think that song combined with any transformation is just amazing, hah.

[Zionist]

I think something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYcwD3BfimI would work quite well, then again I think that song combined with any transformation is just amazing, hah.

I think we have a winner

[Rory]

God, I forgot how awful the dub of that scene is.

[jjgp1112]

I think something like http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYcwD3BfimI would work quite well, then again I think that song combined with any transformation is just amazing, hah.

HEY, TOEI ANIMATION. MAKE THIS FUCKING HAPPEN.

[Kaboom]

I too doubt that anything will quite live up to Spirit vs Spirit, though I'm sure Toei will at least give it a run for its money.

That use of Super Dragon Soul fit really well. It was also a reminder that, in FUNi's new dub, we surely won't have to suffer through another inner Gohan monologue (since I sincerely doubt Toei will decide to add one).

[Zionist]

Why do people hate the inner monologue besides being canon fanboys? Seriously...it's better than silence for like 10 seconds and then random rage. The Dub at least gives a good feeling on what's going on inside his head.

[Kaboom]

Why do people hate the inner monologue besides being canon fanboys? Seriously...it's better than silence for like 10 seconds and then random rage. The Dub at least gives a good feeling on what's going on inside his head.

Because it doesn't make any sense considering what Gohan's feeling. He's becoming enraged to the point of snapping into a murderous rampage against Cell. When that happens to people, they don't tend to get all reflective in their own heads and talk to themselves about it. Their mind goes blank of anything but "kill kill kill grrrr." But all in all, it's just one of, if not the, absolute worst examples of the dub's inability to just shut the characters up every so often, instead having to fill every moment with meaningless blather or noisy music.

Besides, in the original version, the insert song itself was what "narrated" Gohan's motivation via its lyrics, while also working to fill that otherwise silent gap. The scene was built around the insert song. So when FUNimation makes the dumbass decision to not use the original score for their dub, at this point they end up having to fill the gap with something else. Thus, we have Gohan "explaining" his impending white-hot rage for us.

Long-story-short, because both the execution and necessitation for the monologue are stupid.

[Rocketman]

When people snap with rage, they also don't stand stock still and hallucinate birds, then RAAAAAHHHHRG....and continue to stand stock still and cry and only start attacking when they calm down and gain control again, pausing several times to chat with everyone present and generally stand around.


Movie 4's False Super Saiyan is a far better depiction of what happens when rage consumes someone.

"A person in a state of rage may also lose much of his or her capacity for rational thought and reasoning, and may act, usually violently, on his or her impulses to the point that they may attack until they themselves have been incapacitated or the source of their rage has been destroyed. A person in rage may also experience tunnel vision, muffled hearing, increased heart rate and hyperventilation. They often focus only on the source of their anger. The large amounts of adrenaline and oxygen in the bloodstream may cause a person's extremities to shake."

[Kaboom]

I agree, the original version isn't completely believable either, and is somewhat stylized for the sake of dramatic effect. But the dub's version, on the extreme opposite end of the spectrum, was just the wrong way to go.

[penguintruth]

Gohan isn't hallucinating anything. The bird is his inner calm, which is shattered.

Adding a bunch of inner dialogue is unnecessary for a few reasons. One, it's not in the manga or original anime script. Two, he's just repeating everything Artificial Human 16 just told him, stating the obvious to the audience. Three, it ruins the impact of the moment of him just SNAPPING.

It's the best moment of the series, and Funimation ruined it utterly with their stupid neverending dialogue and techno-shit music. But at least Naldony's scream wasn't half bad, for Naldony.

[Rocketman]

it ruins the impact of the moment of him just SNAPPING.

Except he doesn't. He stands around, screams, then stands around some more. Movie 4 Goku snapped. Vegeta at seeing Trunks' death snapped.

[penguintruth]

it ruins the impact of the moment of him just SNAPPING.

Except he doesn't. He stands around, screams, then stands around some more. Movie 4 Goku snapped. Vegeta at seeing Trunks' death snapped.

People handle anger differently. Gohan is paralyzed by the situation for a moment until all reason drains away from him. It makes his snapping all the more effective. Inner monologuing just ruins the impact of that. The drama is lessened.

And like I said, it just doesn't fucking belong there. It's not Funimation's place to rewrite something like that. Especially in such an obvious, insulting way.

You're just being argumentative because you dislike Gohan, anyway.

[Kaboom]

Also, don't forget the minute "standing around" element is also an anime embellishment for dramatic effect. In the manga, he starts stomping around and making Cell Jrs go splat almost right away. In fact, we don't even know yet if or how Kai will edit the scene, come to think of it.

[jjgp1112]

Also, don't forget the minute "standing around" element is also an anime embellishment for dramatic effect. In the manga, he starts stomping around and making Cell Jrs go splat almost right away. In fact, we don't even know yet if or how Kai will edit the scene, come to think of it.

That'll be very interesting to see, since Toei did two versions of the transformation.

[Rocketman]

You're just being argumentative because you dislike Gohan, anyway.

Not this time. Goku becoming a Super Saiyan on Namek is equally ridiculous, it's just not brought up as much as "Best Scene Evar".

Besides, imagine how awesome it would've been if they cut out all the shit with the bird and the song and the yakking on.

-Cell crushes 16's head.
-Gohan's eyes widen
-PWING! RAAAAAAAGGHHH
-Cell in place of Zeus (GoW3 ending)

[penguintruth]

I'm glad you're not a writer.