Was Goku able to ride the Kintoun and...

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Was Goku able to ride the Kintoun and...

Post by DragonBoxZTheMovies » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:17 am

...form a Genki Dama as a Super Saiyan after training in the 'ROSAT'?

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Post by SonGokuh » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:53 am

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:...form a Genki Dama as a Super Saiyan after training in the 'ROSAT'?
I think this is difficult to determine. It's possible, IMHO.

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Post by Cootie » Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:53 am

Maybe, before he mastered SSJ and was filled with rage it is a definite no. But once he obtained it didn't seem to put any strain on his mind or body and he didn't seem like he needed to be enraged at all.

Since after he mastered SSJ it basically became "natural" I suppose he could.
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Post by Bussani » Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:54 am

We don't even know that Goku couldn't ride Kinto'un as a Super Saiyan. I mean, it didn't kick him off when he was more or less out to kill Tambourine out of revenge for Kuririn. I think the way Kinto'un decides if you have a "pure heart" is deeper than people might assume--more like it looks at their true nature than what they're currently thinking/feeling/doing.

As for Genki-Dama and pure heartedness, I think that was only mentioned in a movie. I always thought it seemed plausible, but...I dunno.
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Post by hleV » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:31 am

SSJs are not pure-hearted. Mastering the form only removes the stress and makes you calm. Toriyama specifically told that he drew Goku's eyes without full outline to show his pureness, which he didn't have as a SSJ.

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Post by Michsi » Sun Jan 02, 2011 10:49 am

I think Bussani has the best example. If the Kinto'un didn't reject him when he was out to kill Tambourin then I doubt it would reject him as a super saiyan. Not to mention that I think the transformation only requires rage as trigger the first. Afterwrds it just becomes another power up. And yoy sepcifically mentioned after training in the ROSAT. Wasn't that when Goku decided to make their SSj state their normal state and therefore acting and thinking completley normal.


What I'm more intersted in is, if the Kinto'un would've accepted Goku later on when his more selfish side concerning his love for battle shows up more often. I don't think we see him riding it anymore after the saiyan saga.

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Post by Senzu_Bean » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:16 pm

Be angered or mad doesn't mean you aren't pure just that you haven't a calm heart. So he probably could rid the Kintoun in Super Saiyan.

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Post by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:52 pm

Is he doing all of these things at the same time?! :wink:
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Post by Kingdom Heartless » Sat Jan 08, 2011 3:44 am

Gohan could ride it after training in the ROSAT, and his rage went even further than Goku's when he fought Cell.
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Post by Gaffer Tape » Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:25 am

I'm confused. What exactly happened to Goku in the ROSAT that would have had any impact on his ability to do those things? I can understand asking about the impact of SSJ on those things (not that I agree with it), but what does the ROSAT have to do with it?
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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Sun Jan 09, 2011 12:47 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:I'm confused. What exactly happened to Goku in the ROSAT that would have had any impact on his ability to do those things? I can understand asking about the impact of SSJ on those things (not that I agree with it), but what does the ROSAT have to do with it?
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