DBO or DBGT, which is the true sequel of DragonBall?

[Piccolo Daimao]

Even if that's so (I'm gonna ignore it, the whole thing with the rabbits on the moon is a gag scene anyway), why can't supernovas work differently?

Because when you call something a term that exists without qualification, you're saying it is the same as the real use of that term.

If I write, say, "Pan plays with a kitten", are you automatically going to assume I mean the Kraken from Clash of the Titans (2010) because "well why can't 'kitten' mean a giant sea monster in db its crazy time moon destruction herp derp"?

No, but if Dragon Ball Online says Goku and Vegeta created supernovas and it didn't scorch the Earth, then it didn't scorch the Earth. It doesn't have to follow every single rule of science. For example, Freeza detonating Namek's core, causing it explode on its own in about five minutes. Does it make sense? No, but it doesn't matter because Toriyama can do what he likes with his story, just like the DBO staff can do what they like with their story.

[rereboy]

Then why call it a supernova without making any kind of qualifier.

"This says North City got nuked!"

"Horrible!"

"No, it's ok. Obviously in DB nukes drop puppies, rainbows and candy~"

Because its still a supernova...

It just probably works somewhat differently from the real universe ones, pretty much like everything else in Dragon Ball.

[kaialone]

Ugh,this topic is running out of hands

On-topic : I dont think you could call any of them a "true" sequel,because that is what everyone has to decide for himself.Fact is that they're both licensed.But think about it,appearently there are sooo many alternate timelines in Dragonball,thus if you disagree with both DBO and DBGT then just make your own sequel that is the way YOU want it to be.Sure it wont be official or licensed,but this rarely seems to matter for anyone anyway

[HECTOR4]

DBGT is the sequel of DBZ and DBO is the sequel of DB manga. Simply.

[Rocketman]

Because its still a supernova... :roll:

It just probably works somewhat differently from the real universe ones, pretty much like everything else in Dragon Ball.

Is it still a supernova when you change so much about it? [/shipoftheseus]

[rereboy]

Because its still a supernova...

It just probably works somewhat differently from the real universe ones, pretty much like everything else in Dragon Ball.

Is it still a supernova when you change so much about it? [/shipoftheseus]

Think about this...

A punch (made by a human) is still a punch (made by a human) in Dragon Ball, just like it is in real life.
You are very much aware of what a punch is in both "universes" and what it looks like and how to recognize it and its basically the same thing, in both universes.

However, the properties of a punch (made by a human), like speed and power, and the damage it can make, can be totally different in Dragon Ball of what they are in real life...

So, in Dragon Ball, a punch is still a punch, but it works or it can work very differently compared to one in the real world because the rules are completely different from one universe to another. And there is no point in calling it something different because its still obviously a punch, even though it works differently...

So... Why exactly is a supernova so different from a punch that it has to work exactly the same way it works in real life to be called a supernova...? The rest of the stuff in Dragon Universe don't follow the same exact rules that they follow in the real world and now suddenly a supernova has to, to be able to be called a supernova? I think that's just silly.

[Deep Thought]

I actually vehemently agree with Rocketman.

This has never been a problem in Dragon Ball, because Toriyama has tried to stay far, far away from actual science when he drew the series. However, using his intelligence, Toriyama bypassed his lack of actual science in the series by never mentioning specific scientific terms. No one has really had a problem with the series' non-scientific feats unless they are obsessed about power levels or they're comparing it to another series or something. This crosses the line, though, since it uses established scientific terms without having any idea what they mean. It's not just this that I'd have a problem with, either. If Toriyama called Gotenk's inter-dimensional warp hole a "black hole," then I'd have a problem with that, because it behaves nothing like a black hole. This is applicable for if Toriyama called Goku's Instantaneous Movement "light speed" or if he called the humanoid animals a byproduct of evolution. It's not really about the act, but it's about the wording, which is blatantly wrong.

I find it funny that a forum so obsessed with grammar and terminology is willing to let this slide, let alone call it "awesome."

[TheDevilsCorpse]

I don't understand what everyone has a problem with. The information doesn't say Goku and Vegeta created supernovas, it says they created supernova sized explosions. The term is simply being used to compare size, like saying saying the hail outside is the size of a golfball. This means the explosions don't have to function anything like supernovas because they aren't. So what is the problem with them being detected in just a couple of years without scorching the Earth if they aren't actually supernovas?

[NeoKING]

I don't understand what everyone has a problem with. The information doesn't say Goku and Vegeta created supernovas, it says they created supernova sized explosions. The term is simply being used to compare size, like saying saying the hail outside is the size of a golfball. This means the explosions don't have to function anything like supernovas because they aren't. So what is the problem with them being detected in just a couple of years without scorching the Earth if they aren't actually supernovas?

I'm sure that the only reason everyone even likes the Goku-Vegeta Supernova Battle" is simply because of the word "Supernova."

[Zephyr]

I don't understand what everyone has a problem with. The information doesn't say Goku and Vegeta created supernovas, it says they created supernova sized explosions. The term is simply being used to compare size, like saying saying the hail outside is the size of a golfball. This means the explosions don't have to function anything like supernovas because they aren't. So what is the problem with them being detected in just a couple of years without scorching the Earth if they aren't actually supernovas?

I'm sure that the only reason everyone even likes the Goku-Vegeta Supernova Battle" is simply because of the word "Supernova."

I don't know about everybody else, but I like the idea of a "Goku-Vegeta Supernova Battle" because its a a battle to death between Goku and Vegeta somewhere in space. The fact that it "created supernovas" is little more than icing on the cake.

[Rocketman]

I don't understand what everyone has a problem with. The information doesn't say Goku and Vegeta created supernovas, it says they created supernova sized explosions.

A supernova is an explosion.

[Bussani]

If they were close enough to Earth to be seen in a few years, the light would've scorched the Earth clean.

I guess that would be a problem.

I think I can see both sides of this. A fictional universe works however the creator says it works. Obviously Toriyama or someone at Toei know what a punch and a kitty are, but I'd wager they don't know as much about supernovas as Rocketman, so there's a good chance they just don't work the same way as in real life in their story. But that said, I can see why it can be annoying when they use a term without knowing much about it. And it's not like Toriyama isn't guilty of this himself, e.g. his comment about the Saiyan tail gene being recessive. I'd prefer to try to explain it rather than just resort to "our _______s are different," but sometimes it's unavoidable

or if he called the humanoid animals a byproduct of evolution.

Wait, what's wrong with this one?

[Vagrant]

I don't understand what everyone has a problem with. The information doesn't say Goku and Vegeta created supernovas, it says they created supernova sized explosions.

A supernova is an explosion.

Of a specific type. Within about three hundreds of light years, the main worry wouldn't actually be the brightness, it'd be the gamma radiation and the ultraviolet light. At around that 300 LY mark the explosion of a supernova would be bright enough to potentially have long-term effects on certain plants and animals but you'd have to close the distance well within a hundred light years for real immediate damage from the visible wavelength of light. Now, that's with an actual supernova. There's no reason supernova-sized explosions have to have the same luminosity as an actual supernova. Given how dispersed supernovae are, I suspect that in the real world a chi explosion that size would actually be brighter, but in the manga these guys generally seem to have no issue staring at giant chi balls, so it could well be that the explosions they generate are very low luminosity.

[Rocketman]

Since these explosions were seen "a few years" after Goku and Vegeta left, "detecting" them must've been pretty easy with night turning to day and a point brighter than the sun swelling to dominate the sky.

I would like to add, for anyone that doesn't know, that supernovae are REALLY GODDAMN BIG. Supernova Cassiopeia A is ten lightyears across.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

A supernova is an explosion.

Since these explosions were seen "a few years" after Goku and Vegeta left, "detecting" them must've been pretty easy with night turning to day and a point brighter than the sun swelling to dominate the sky.

I would like to add, for anyone that doesn't know, that supernovae are REALLY GODDAMN BIG. Supernova Cassiopeia A is ten lightyears across.

Exactly, I still don't see the reason for why them saying that Goku and Vegeta created supernova sized explosions is that big a problem. They are simply saying that the size is comparable to that of a supernova, nothing says the brightness, energy output and duration of the explosions they created are the same as a true supernova. The explosions Goku and Vegeta produced may have been a couple lightyears in size, but who says that they didn't last only a couple of minutes, with relatively low energy output and luminosity for the size of the blasts? Just because the size is the same doesn't mean all attributes have to fall in line, afterall, they didn't create real supernovas.

[Rocketman]

The explosions Goku and Vegeta produced may have been a couple lightyears in size, but who says that they didn't last only a couple of minutes

The fact that they're lightyears in size. The expanding ki shell would have to exist for a year and be expanding at the speed of light to reach two lightyears across.

[Brohan]

Rocketman, you're looking a little too deeply into this imo. This is the same series that has talking dogs and cats, it doesn't have to make sense.