Perfect wrote:That's like saying, "Hey! I ignored the fact Goku became a Super Saiyan because I don't wanna believe the plot is going in this direction! Therefore, it's a pot hole that Freeza was not only defeated by Goku, but the fact that Goku is a Saiyan."
The official multipliers contradict nothing more than crazy fan ideas like these. There's absolutely no reason to discredit them for a ridiculous idea like yours.
How is it ridiculous? It's backed up by Anime filler which heavily implies that Chaotic Boohan is a suppressed form of Chibi Boo and that the full Chibi Boo would then be stronger than SSjin Vegetto. And the multipliers were stated a long time after Toriyama stopped doing the Manga and most likely he just randomly made them up after a quick glance back at the Manga simply because a lot of people were asking about them. It's doubtful that he ever used numbers after the Freeza Arc. Random numbers that Toriyama most likely pulled out of his arse a long time after finsihing the Manga and forgetting it can not be compared to an event that happened in the Manga itself.
My episode 267 synopsis of Goku versus Buu after just watching it:
Goku begs for a timeout, becoming scared that Buu intervening will destroy their only chance at finding the earring and fusing.
Buu charges at Goku, who immediately transforms into Super Saiyan 3. Seconds before Buu's punch hits, Goku manages to dodge the attack by doing a back flip over him. Goku in the middle of the back flip, shouts at Gohan to find the earring so they can fuse. Buu grunts as he moves his antenna causing Goku to look back as he falls from the back flip. The antenna hits Goku in the side of the head, making him tumble through the air as his aura vanishes. Goku grabs his knees and flips down, safely landing on a rock. Buu starts rushing from above, stopping his knee in the air, mere inches away from Goku's face. He turns his head and blasts the area where Gohan is. Buu while momentarily distracted is hit by Goku's blast to the stomach. Goku continues a barrage of blasts. Buu pops out as if nothing had happened, whatsoever. Sweat begins to drop on Goku's head as his face goes from serious to surprised to angry. Buu, hanging upside down in the air, taunts Goku as if his attacks were nothing (They were nothing to him after all). The two teleport and hit each other, appearing and disappearing. All of Goku's hits are blocked, whereas all of Buu's make contact. Goku is eventually hit from behind and falls to the ground in the same mannerism that he did in the beginning of the fight, though this time falling through the rocky landscape. Buu charges down with his fist in front, like Superman. A purple aura soon appears around Buu as he continues to gain momentum. Goku pushes a rock aside and looks at Buu charging towards him. His gold aura suddenly appears with lightning. He shakes slightly as his face becomes worried, shifting to a defensive stance. Buu laughs as he's about to hit Goku. However, he soon stops and grabs his head. The fusion between Goten and Trunks had faded inside of him.
Goku did look a little hurt and fatigued as the battle went on, he landed one hit on Buu. That one hit was because Buu was distracted on taking pride with making Gohan's job a lot harder than it needed to be. The attack itself did absolutely no damage to Buu.
Yes that scene implies that Goku was weaker than Bootenks but in the end Goku showed absolutely no signs of damage from any of the hits that Boo landed on him. Not to mention that after taking all those hits that he took in the air and being knocked down straight into those rocks he quickly just jumped back up and still showed no signs of damage. He was sweating but that could have been mostly because of the strain of SSjin 3. It's also possible that he was distracted by the whole potara issue.
It seems even a child can put together that Vegeta and Goku could remember Vegetto's actions to an extent. That extent may or may not be what you're saying, as there's no evidence to support it. When Goku says that Pure Buu is above all other Buu's, he could be gauging every Buu aside from the Buu witnessed when he was fused. This is indeed an anime line and will not be present in Kai if Kai goes to the Buu saga, as it contradicts the manga. That doesn't seem to matter though, since you're basing your entire argument on the anime. Which evidently is based off the manga, so generally everything that Toei mistakes in the anime when compared to the manga, is just that, a mistake.
It's not a mistake, Toei's Anime is a different interpretation of the events. Or an alternate universe if you want to call it that, one where Chibi Boo is stronger than Boohan. Considering they stated that Chibi Boo is the strongest Boo twice, and one of the times was by a Goku that had already seen/sensed all of the other Boos, and the other two times was by the omniscient narrator I take it as an Anime fact.
There's nothing out of character in the Buu arc about Goku. For most the arc he's trying to pass the torch down to a knew world hero. When things get too serious, he knows he has to take matters into his own hands and do whatever it takes. Literally, there's nothing that says he's out of character, other than a fan not liking the way he acts. Well guess what, even though you don't like a lot of Goku's choices he makes during this arc, or how he acts or whatever else, he's not out of character. Goku isn't a static character, there is a variety of character development with him.
Where else in the series have you actually seen Goku be sarcastic? And if Goku wanted to pass the torch and Chibi Boo really isn't the strongest Boo, why didn't he just bring Gotenks and Chou Gohan over with Instantaneous Movement and have them dispose of him instead of going through the trouble of creating a Genki Dama while Vegeta gets beat within an inch of his life?
The whole plot, the artwork and overall way the voice actors in both the original JPN version and English dub point to the fact that Goku was no where near as strong as Vegetto. When the fusion inside of Buu wore off, Goku didn't feel the need to fuse anymore, because Gohan would be able to kill him. Did you forget that entire part of the episode? Also here's something contradictory you said. You said Goku was out of character and therefore we should ignore what he said about needing to fuse. Why not ignore the fact he says Pure Buu is the strongest or whatever it is he said? It's a bullshit line Toei throws in there, so why not? I know why. Because it doesn't help your argument, the only reason you're saying we should discredit one line and not the other is because one helps your point and one doesn't. Hell, the one that doesn't isn't even in the manga, but the one that does isn't. Ironic, truly.
Chibi Boo being the strongest is stated twice, the second time by the omniscient narrator. Goku being weaker than Bootenks definitely contradicts this and to be honest, I believe the lines about Chibi Boo more than I do the Bootenks incident simply because the omniscient narrator himself stated Chibi Boo was the strongest. While I don't want to go and randomly disregard events and statements, these two blatantly contradict each other.
There's nothing that implies Pure Buu would be able to beat Vegetto or Buu with Gohan absorbed. Considering Gohan, who is stronger than Goku is inside that Buu. That automatically disputes what you've just said, since you know, Goku didn't do any better than Gohan, at all. The only difference is, Gohan's fight lasted longer, a lot longer. Then you go on and on about a simple fan idea, that makes no sense of Goku being out of character, telling me to disregard one line and not another, because one helps your argument and the other doesn't.
Goku states Chibi Boo is on a completely different level from the previous Boos but instead of instantly trying to create a Genki Dama or whatever he chooses to fight him and actually fools around with him until the stress of SSjin 3 gets to him.
Goku didn't do a lot better, I dunno what show you were watching. All the times Goku is shown to be weaker by means of example or plot, basically comes from the manga, the anime is based off the manga. In other words, you're telling me to forget basically all of that for a wrongfully paraphrased line or two at the end that can't justify itself.
Chibi Boo wasn't exactly stated to be weak in the manga either. After Chou Gohan, Goten, Trunks, etc contributed to the Genki Dama it was still way, way too weak to defeat Chibi Boo. Then there was the incident where Goku mentioned bringing Chou Gohan and Gotenks over to fight Boo together and Vegeta instantly shot the idea down and went with the supposedly far more difficult (if Chibi Boo is weak) idea of creating a Genki Dama. Son Goku didn't argue.
After Chibi Boo was defeated, Vegeta wanted to kill Mr. Boo and said that if he got angry and created another Chibi Boo it would be the end of the world. He said this despite knowing damn well about Chou Gohan, SSjin 3 Gotenks, SSjin 3 Goku and the fact that he and Goku would keep training and (most likely) get much stronger than they were then.
