Your own personal canon?

[Gozar]

I'm pretty much also a "By the Manga" kind of guy. The only thing that I add into my personal canon is the entire Bardock Special.

My reasoning for this is because, well, Toriyama added Bardock into the Canon after watching the Special. Now we as fans hate it when the Anime changes something that was done in the original and find any alterations to be non-canon. So in my mind, shouldn't the opposite apply?

In other words, Toei's writers and staff created the character and story of Bardock from their own minds as an original story. Toriyama later added their character into his Manga. So in my mind, that should mean that the entire Original story that Toriyama is drawing concept from should be canon to the Manga.

Because it's not like Toriyama directly contradicted anything from the Special. It's not like he went out of his way to change something from the Special that he didn't see fit for his Manga. I think that short reference Toriyama did should in turn make the entire Special Canon from start to finish. Because he's canonizing someone else's story.

[Gaffer Tape]

Bearing in mind that Toriyama wrote Dragon Ball as he went along, I don't take things into account until Toriyama came up with the idea in the story. For instance, Saiyans as a whole more or less don't exist as far as I'm concerned until volume 17, Namek doesn't exist until that's introduced so Piccolo split into Kami and Daimao is the only one of his kind (Which makes the whole God and Demon King thing more powerful to the story, in my opinion), #19 and #20 ARE the cyborgs Trunks warned Goku about until they decided to change that, etc.

I just wanted to say that I agree with this. For stories that are plotted out in advance, I have no problem applying new contexts to earlier events and realizing how much cooler the new information makes old plots. But in terms of things like DB or Star Wars, where the story's made up as it went along, I find it infinitely more interesting to follow the original context and see how the author thought of the story at specific points in his writing.

I'm pretty much also a "By the Manga" kind of guy. The only thing that I add into my personal canon is the entire Bardock Special.

As for Bardock, I've never really been quite sure where I sit with it. As in, I certainly accept that he was Goku's father and fought Freeza at the very end of Planet Vegeta, but, beyond that, beyond what Toriyama explicitly says happened in his story, I'm not sure.

Oh, and aside from the manga, I might accept the 2008 special as well since that special was intended as a manga sequel with Toriyama's involvement. Maybe...

[kaialone]

Isn't there already a thread for this?

I think this one is different because.This thread right here asks you about what actual Dragonball media is canon to you,while the one you linked asks about little things that werent in Draonball that are canon to you,like i remember one guy in this thread saying that he believed that Lunch worked as a prostitue at some point.


Oh I also forgot to mention in my last post:

I dont know if I will think of DBO as conon as of yet,as I havent played it yet.But I love what I know about it story.wise so its highly possible that it will be added to "my canon"

[Piccolo Daimao]

i remember one guy in this thread saying that he believed that Lunch worked as a prostitue at some point.

'Twas me.

Although I said that Lunch got bored of chasing Tenshinhan, went back into crime and became a prostitute.

But my canon is basically the manga, the Bardock special (Gozar's already explained why*) and most of the stuff in the Daizenshuu.

*Plus, Bardock's wound in both the manga and anime look practically the same. In the anime, Bardock gained that wound from Dodoria. I have no reason to baselessly assume Bardock got that wound under different circumstances.

[Makaioshin]

Dragon Ball Manga serires-A Final Solitary Battle-Dragon Ball Online-Any information in any of guidebooks and such for that manga that doesn't contradict anything said.
While I don't view Neko Majin as canon, I view the part with Son Goku training Oob at Mt. Paozu as canon since it seems to be what Toriyama thought he would be doing after the real story ended.

[Gozar]

Ah yes, I forgot the 2008 Special, that's definitely in my Canon. But I'm personally not so keep on the Guide Books. I feel they cannot be trusted, as they contradict the Manga on numerous occasions.

[Kaboom]

My "personal canon" is, to put it simply, the manga and anything that doesn't directly contradict it.

Bardock special given a cameo in the manga? It's canon. Movie 9 fits and doesn't conflict with the series? It's canon. Jump special? It's canon. That last chapter of Neko Majin where we see Oob living with everyone back at the Son family home? It's canon. Daizenshuu and other stuff factoids like Gotenks has SSj2 and Tenshinhan's descended from aliens? It's canon.

Obviously some things will not work while other things from the same source will, and there's little bits here and there, but otherwise, you get the picture.

[violadude]

Kaboom, I know you're a GT fan. Do you consider that canon? Or maybe, do you consider the parts of GT that don't contradict the manga canon? Whats your take on that?

[Snail]

I like to pretend that ToyBle's DBAF is canon.

[Goku100xKamehameha]

I consider anything regarding Dragon Ball, that were approved by Toriyama and don't contradict the Manga as canon
And those things are:
-The Manga
-The Daizenshuu
-The 2008 Jump Special
-Bardock Special

I don't consider "Cross Epoch" as canon. I consider it as just an alternate universe.

[Fox666]

I almost agree with that.

However I wouldn't deal with Bardock special as if it was canon. Only a single scene is. The rest has some discrepances with the manga...

And the I think that in terms of canonocity Neko Majin Z and Cross Epoch are the same. They are just gag histories that aren't to be taken serious.

However, in some scenes, for example the design for Oob and Pan at the end of Neko Majin Z that cronogically takes places after the end of the series can be taken as "canon".



But I guess there is no indication of how many years have passed since them...

[Piccolo Daimao]

I have yet to read Neko Majin Z or Cross Epoch to see if I'll make it part of my canon.

[mister yummy]

Instead of the typical Manga Purist you find here and on the GameFAQs forums, I'm the Expansivist. I like to include as much as I can as possible. To me, anything non-contridictory to the Anime is Canon. The Manga, while the definitive version, exists in a more 'pure' Canon all on it's own. A bit contridictory here, anything different in the manga is Anime Canon over the Anime itself.

Included in my Anime Canon is more than 99% of the anime. Everything except stuff like Dodoria killing Cargo and Piccolo having 5 fingers. This includes all of Dragonball GT, although you have to fanwank some plotholes away. Also included: All 13 Dragonball Z Movies; 2, 3, and 4 are either in the 3 years before the Androids, or if that's too jarring, in an alternate timeline where no one died fighting the Saiya-jins. All of every series of Dr. Slump. All of Neko Majin. The Jump Special. The events of the 4 Dragonball movies, in alternate timelines; I'm this close to fitting Mystical Adventure in before the 21st Budokai. The 'OVA', possibly in an alternate timeline(I haven't seen it yet).

What's not Canon: Info from guidebooks. Not that they aren't right most of the time, it's just they aren't reliable or hard and fast. I consider them a comprehensive fan work, much like any info on this site. It's probably right, but it doesn't affect Canon. Any color scheme from the manga or the anime isn't necessarily canon. The exceptions are the color pages of actual story from the manga. Everything else canonically happens in black and white line art, and could theoretically be any or none of the color schemes used for it.

[Kiyza]

The majority my personal canon is strictly based on the manga, but I also accept anything said by Toriyama himself or anywhere in guidebooks to be a part of it, as well as the Bardock and JSAT specials. I'd also say that, by extension, Dr. Slump fits into my canon. I kind of see GT, Neko Majin, Cross Epoch, and the Kochikame crossover as their own little canon unto themselves, a sort alternate universe thing. But at the very least, the character designs for everyone at the end of Neko Majin are a part of my canon as opposed to the GT ones.

Dragon Ball Online is the thing I'm a little hesitant about, because while it does fit into the story rather nicely, unlike the crossovers and Neko Majin, and Toriyama does have involvement, there's the matter of just how far that involvement actually goes. He seems to more or less be approving things as opposed to writing the story himself. That's similar to GT in some respects, though his involvement in GT apparently wasn't as heavy, and I honestly don't count GT because of that for the most part. But then again, if he somehow remembered the Bob and Margret thing, I'd wager that the whole bit of how Boo had kids could have been his idea. I'd say it's kind of a part of my canon, but not quite as high on the ladder as the manga and guidebooks. Maybe as time goes on, I'll either become more or less accepting of it, depending on how it goes. I'd say that I generally consider little tidbits from it to be strictly a part of my canon, like future descendants of Goku being able to go Super Saiyan and Namekians having skin colors that aren't green, but the plot itself is kind of iffy.

[SparkyPantsMcGee]

The Manga. If I need to reference something or prove a fact I look at the manga. I typically accept things like Cooler, Bardock's special, Tarble and Trunks special because they fit into the timeline perfectly without hurting or contradicting anything. The movies are fun, but aside from the specials I don't view them as cannon. I view them as side stories, what-ifs and an alternative take on the saga at hand. I view Nekko Majin Z as the continuation of the story over GT. while I may not like GT I always reccommend people watch it for the sake of watching it, but I warn them of it's flaws and to not take it seriously or you will end up confused...my friend is watching it now and doesn't like it. That's pretty much it.