DBZ Movie 11 Discussion

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 4:42 pm

Inserting rewritten version . . .

Tenka-Ichi · Post by **Tenka-Ichi** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:19 pm

and the subplot that brings about the eventual conflict with Broly revolves around Mr. Satan and marks his first movie appearance (which for me is a highlight)

No, His first movie appearance was in movie 9.

Apart from that, I thaught your review was really good. I've seen the movie before and I would have to agree with you, it could definately have been better.

dim_sum_boy · Post by **dim_sum_boy** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 5:56 pm

Tenka-Ichi wrote:
and the subplot that brings about the eventual conflict with Broly revolves around Mr. Satan and marks his first movie appearance (which for me is a highlight)
No, His first movie appearance was in movie 9.

Apart from that, I thaught your review was really good. I've seen the movie before and I would have to agree with you, it could definately have been better.

His first movie appearance wasn't movie 9, it was movie 8.

Tenka-Ichi · Post by **Tenka-Ichi** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:09 pm

Are you sure Mr. Satan's first movie appearance was movie 8? I could've sworn it wasn't untill movie 9.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:34 pm

No Mr. Satan's first appearance was indeed in Movie 9. I think dim is mixing Roshi's drunken presence up in the eighth movie with Mr. Satan.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 8:16 pm

Oh, it was Movie 9 that Mr. Satan first appeared. Ha! How 'bout that; I suck!

Movie 11 isn't the best, in my opinion, but hey; it's still Dragonball, dammit.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:10 pm

I understand that movie 12 features a bunch of past villains being released from Hell. Please tell me Brolly isn't one of these! I mean, sure, Brolly's one of my personal faves, but that was in movie 8, where he was actually *intelligent* and seemed to have motivation. In movie 10 he seemed to have diminished into a retard who can't say anything but "Kakarotto!!!"
I haven't seen movie 11 yet (just barely ordered it online, so it's only until I get it in the mail), but I can tell you I'm sure Brolly's overstayed his welcome.
Oh, and while we're on the subject of movie 11, would anyone mind telling me how Steve handled the translation of "Dragon Power Infinity"? He's really skillful when it comes to translating Japanese plays-on-words so that the joke/pun/play is implied in English as well. If nobody wants to bother, that's just fine, I can wait until I get it in the mail.

dim_sum_boy · Post by **dim_sum_boy** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 9:43 pm

Tenka-Ichi wrote:Are you sure Mr. Satan's first movie appearance was movie 8? I could've sworn it wasn't untill movie 9.

I thought you were talking about Broly's first apearance, my mistake.

B-kun · Post by **B-kun** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 10:02 pm

Don't worry, Kenisu, Broly isn't one of the revived villains.

Daimao · Post by **Daimao** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 11:43 pm

kenisu3000 wrote:Oh, and while we're on the subject of movie 11, would anyone mind telling me how Steve handled the translation of "Dragon Power Infinity"? He's really skillful when it comes to translating Japanese plays-on-words so that the joke/pun/play is implied in English as well. If nobody wants to bother, that's just fine, I can wait until I get it in the mail.

I'm assuming you mean

D! Doesn't matter how long,
R! Remain moving forward,
A! Affirming endless love!
GO! Fight! Go! Go! Go!
N! No need to hold back!

I'll admit I needed to take some minor liberties, but I kept it as close as I could. I think I was up to "A!" in the Japanese version before I even realized there was a pattern

. Once it dawned on me, I was impressed at how well they pulled it off in Japanese, myself.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 9:39 am

I've never seen movie 11, I've always heard it was the worst of the 13. Is it honestly worth buying?

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:55 am

Son Wukong wrote:I've never seen movie 11, I've always heard it was the worst of the 13. Is it honestly worth buying?

Myself, I've already said pretty much everything I can . . . and yet, I'll see if I can't say more. Why can't I ever just shut up?

Well, I dunno . . . my opinion? I suppose it really depends on what sort of Dragonball fan you are. For example, if you buy the movie for Broly's sake, then just . . . don't. Be. Surprised.

However, if you a fan of the chibi Saiyan set (like me), then go ahead. It's not going to change the plot or the way the movie's paced, but having a character in there that you're fond of raises the enjoyment level high enough that you just might pull it off the shelf more than once and make it worth the buy. I know Movie 11's reputation, and in a lot of ways it's well-earned, but it's fun for me to see Goten and Trunks do their thing, so I know I'll watch Bio-Broly again. I do like this movie.

If you're not really partial to either Broly or Trunks and Goten, then I suppose that's where the decision really gets tricky. Movie 11 does have the Dragonball name on it, but some might not consider it to be in the same "traditional" DBZ flavor (which I disagree with). Whether or not you care is what's going to make your decision . . . I guess. Heh.

Also, if you're the sort of fan who wants a complete set of the movies, then I'd suppose Movie 11 is a necessary step.

(Li'l Lemmy, the Goten fan)

EDIT: I do notice that the name of this thread has been changed to something more appropriate and focused. I'll take that as a sign and make a point of making my titles a little more direct from now on.

kenisu3000 · Post by **kenisu3000** » Wed Sep 14, 2005 8:22 pm

Daimao wrote:
kenisu3000 wrote:Oh, and while we're on the subject of movie 11, would anyone mind telling me how Steve handled the translation of "Dragon Power Infinity"? He's really skillful when it comes to translating Japanese plays-on-words so that the joke/pun/play is implied in English as well. If nobody wants to bother, that's just fine, I can wait until I get it in the mail.
I'm assuming you mean

D! Doesn't matter how long,
R! Remain moving forward,
A! Affirming endless love!
GO! Fight! Go! Go! Go!
N! No need to hold back!

I'll admit I needed to take some minor liberties, but I kept it as close as I could. I think I was up to "A!" in the Japanese version before I even realized there was a pattern . Once it dawned on me, I was impressed at how well they pulled it off in Japanese, myself.

Heh, I guess I should have re-worded my question to "Steve, can you tell me how you handled the translation of 'Dragon Power Infinity'?" It's just that it's not in my nature to ask for direct favors from a singular person. But thanks, and I daresay the liberties are *very* minor. I remember a year or so ago when I was going through the song myself just for my own enjoyment, and how irritated I was with coming up with something to fit the "D" - something I liked. I kept landing on "Don't care about the time" but I really didn't like the way that sounded in English.

John · Post by **John** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 1:56 am

I just bought the DVD and this was the first time I've ever seen it.

I feel like it had a lot of potential in the beginning with the inclusion of Mr. Satan, No. 18, and Kuririn.

The whole battle scene seemed a bit lacking to me. The goopy Broli didn't really interest me too much. It made me kind of forget that it was Broli they were fighting.

Know what would've made the movie a lot better? Gohan and Videl. Videl and the kids had a real funny chemistry going in the last movie. Plus I'm a huuuge Videl fan!

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 2:00 pm

John wrote:I feel like it had a lot of potential in the beginning with the inclusion of Mr. Satan, No. 18, and Kuririn.

I liked the opening scenes with Eighteen and Mr. Satan, too. Whether or not the following story with Broly ever had any real substance is debatable, but I agree that the first twenty minutes that led into it felt like a good foundation for something solid.

On a personal note, I like it very much when one of the DBZ movies takes its time in getting to the real conflict. Movie 8 used a good half-an-hour to explore Broly's background and the mystery surrounding the Legendary Super Saiyan, for example, before a single punch was thrown . . . and nearly half of Movie 9 is about the gang having a little fun at the intergalactic tournament before anyone encounters Bojack at all.

John wrote:Know what would've made the movie a lot better? Gohan and Videl. Videl and the kids had a real funny chemistry going in the last movie. Plus I'm a huuuge Videl fan!

Videl, huh? Me, too . . . I enjoyed the entry into Movie 10 for the same reason. It was nice to see Videl interact with someone other than Gohan, and it's even better that she doesn't get along with Trunks and Goten right away. Their chemistry does work much better than it would have if everyone had been getting along the whole time, which probably would have been very boring.

As many things as could be wrong with Movie 11, I like it for the reason that I think the story itself well suits the young Goten and Trunks. Movie 11 to me is more like the original Dragonball peppered with Super Saiyans than our do-or-die Dragonball Z . . . and if you don't account for the fact that the blob is as powerful an adversary as Broly, the story is almost reminiscent of an adventure young Goku could have had during his quest for the Dragonballs.

Perhaps the best part is that the duo didn't overpower him directly. I think I just would have lost my mind if a seven and eight-year-old managed to kill what Goku or Gohan couldn't . . .

(Though admittedly, I can't say I would have minded Goten reaching SSJ2 . . . whether he would have defeated Broly or not.)

Domon · Post by **Domon** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 7:47 pm

After watching Bio-Broli for the first time, I find myself agreeing with much of the review above, and there's little I can say that hasn't been said already.

The resurrection of Broly, which I think despite the strain on credibility could have been spectacular and awesome, instead feels awkward and very cheap; just the fact that he doesn't even look like himself takes too much away (for me, anyway) to warrant a third appearance.

Indeed, Broli came across as little more than an afterthought. It's as though someone wanted the guy in after it was already decided that a mud-monster would be the main villain.

For me, the highlight of this movie was getting to see some of the secondary characters in the spotlight for a change. It was good to finally see No. 18 in a movie(aside from her brief apperence in movie 7), and Kuririn was somewhat useful here (*gasp* *shock* *horror*). In movies 7 through 10, he showed up only to prove how useless he is. But here, he actually participate in the story.

Also, after the last two movies, it was refreshing to not see Goku regurgitate his Cell Game speech to his son yet again. By movie 10, it was getting really tiresome to see him deliver the same speech over and over. But here, he only shows up at the very end (and the bit about going to hell to fight Broli is mildly amusing).

DB_Fan · Post by **DB_Fan** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 9:27 pm

I think this is Marron's only movie appearence. And where is Piccolo is the last movies? Even Oolong appears in Movie 13.

Li'l Lemmy · Post by **Li'l Lemmy** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:10 pm

Domon wrote:For me, the highlight of this movie was getting to see some of the secondary characters in the spotlight for a change. It was good to finally see No. 18 in a movie(aside from her brief apperence in movie 7), and Kuririn was somewhat useful here (*gasp* *shock* *horror*). In movies 7 through 10, he showed up only to prove how useless he is. But here, he actually participate in the story.

While I don't suppose we really could expect for Krillin to keep up with the Saiyans in terms of battle power, it did get a little tiresome that his presence in a fight would be simply to get beaten so badly by (your movie villain here) that it demonstrated the need for Super Saiyans . . . but even though he wasn't a significant fighter from Movie 7 onward, I'm thankful that he was at least tossed into the story now and then, and allowed to shine in those scenes that would come before the movie's main conflict. I think perhaps I like his participation in the tournament of Movie 9 the best.

As for 18, I liked her role in the story. And that's too bad, since aside from this and Movie 7 I don't think we see her again at all. Though I could be wrong.

Domon wrote:Also, after the last two movies, it was refreshing to not see Goku regurgitate his Cell Game speech to his son yet again. By movie 10, it was getting really tiresome to see him deliver the same speech over and over. But here, he only shows up at the very end (and the bit about going to hell to fight Broli is mildly amusing).

Tell me about it. I can't say enough how much I appreciated Goku's lack of presence in Movie 11, and just about any movie where it isn't Goku who wins the final battle (which is rare) has at least that much respect from me . . . of course, it's not that Goku hasn't tried to catch a break. Gohan just doesn't seem to be able to call up the determination he found during the Cell Games, and Goten is just too young; their father just can't seem to pass on that damned torch with any success!

(I can't help but feel that in that final scene, with Goku hearing the news of Broly in hell, that this news is meant as much for us as it is him. As if the movie were telling us, "Yes, Broly really is in hell, and he never will come back. You can look forward to Movie 12." That wasn't the actual intention, I'm sure, but . . .)

DB_Fan wrote:I think this is Marron's only movie appearence. And where is Piccolo is the last movies? Even Oolong appears in Movie 13.

Unless I'm very mistaken, the tenth movie really is Piccolo's final appearance. And that is a shame.

Tenka-Ichi · Post by **Tenka-Ichi** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 10:25 pm

Li'l Lemmy wrote:Unless I'm very mistaken, the tenth movie really is Piccolo's final appearance. And that is a shame.

Yeah, it really would have been nice to see Piccolo in the the last two movies. Even if it was just a brief cameo fighting some quirky enemy that gets brought back to life in movie 12. I mean, Goten and Trunks get to fight Hitler and his army of nazis, why can't Piccolo do something? Although I can't really see him doing anything in Movie 13 other than just being there when they all got together to awake Tapion or trying (and failing

) to kill Hildegarn, but it still would have been better than not having him at all.

TheMajinRedComet · Post by **TheMajinRedComet** » Thu Sep 15, 2005 11:02 pm

The main reason I didn’t like this movie was (outside the no vegeta factor) in the end Brolly is killed by......water. I agree that it is fun to see 18 fight. In my opinion I think that 18 would actually be stronger then Goten and Trunks, but maybe I just can't bring myself to believe that a 7 year old kid is stronger then the woman that kicked the crap out of his father 7 years ago.