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[Fox666]

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[beast mode]

Do we know if Future Cell absorbed any humans/anywhere near as much as the other Cell?

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

He didn't. There weren't enough humans for him to do such.

Anyway, I think he's a regular Super Saiyan there.

[Amigo Ten]

I think Cell only had to absorb a bunch of humans because he reverted back to his larval stage to go back in time, and then had to regrow all over again. I reckon he was strong enough to absorb #17 and #18 when he emerged fresh from the lab, and reverting weakened him.

[Kaboom]

It's very likely that he and Vegeta had already started down the path of Full-Power Super Saiyan instead of the Grades stages by the time of the Cell Games. Trunks may have perfected the form and trained for even more power by the time he killed his Cell.

[Fox666]

It took a few chapters in the manga for him to absorb the humans, I don't think it should be taken as a hard task for he to do the same in the future (considering the menace of the androids was gone for a few years). Besides he has been wondering around for a while searching for no.17 and 18

At least the way he talks in the present sounds like it is natural for him to absorb humans before he absorbs no.17 and 18

Chapter: 363 (DBZ 169), P12.1
Cell: “Human life extract alone isn’t enough for me to reach my perfect form. I need to merge with two important, particular life forms...The computer told me of these two particular life forms…….Dr. Gero’s creations—Androids No.17 and No.18!”

Chapter: 364 (DBZ 170), P8.3
Cell: “I’ll keep absorbing human life energy unnoticed, and steadily increase my power. And once I’ve greatly exceeded the power of No.17 and No.18, I’ll force them to merge with me…!”

And according to himself he is superior to no.17 and 18 in strength

Chapter: 420 (DBZ 226), P2.3
Context: after Trunks tells Cell he’ll defeat him
Cell: “Trunks…All of your data has been scanned by the spy robot…With your power, you couldn’t possibly defeat No.17 or No.18, let alone me…”

(of course I am aware these androids are weaker than the ones from the present, but I think it's at least worth noting)

It's very likely that he and Vegeta had already started down the path of Full-Power Super Saiyan instead of the Grades stages by the time of the Cell Games.

While Vegeta hair has always been ambiguous, Trunk's hair is very easy to recognize, as much as Super Saiyan 3...

[Kaboom]

While Vegeta hair has always been ambiguous, Trunk's hair is very easy to recognize, as much as Super Saiyan 3...

Um... you know that his hair is just long during the Cell Games and then he got it cut before going back to the future, right? Otherwise I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

[beast mode]

Trunks is probably Full-Power Super Saiyan by the time he fights Cell. He's half human, so that puts him on par with FPSS Gohan. He's got no problem defeating a Cell who's weaker than Kamiccolo.

edit: Since Trunks is stronger than Future No. 17 and 18 individually at the time of his first visit, it's no surprise at all he could kill them both (easily) in plain Super Saiyan after training in the RoSaT.

[Vhanos]

The first form Cell in Trunks timeline is probably weaker than the one in the mainstream timeline.

[Piccolo Daimao]

The first form Cell in Trunks timeline is probably weaker than the one in the mainstream timeline.

But didn't Future Cell say that Trunks couldn't beat the Androids, let alone him, implying that Cell's stronger than the Future Androids? Whereas Present Cell acknowledged that he'd need to absorb humans to overpower the Androids? I always figured that Cell just lost power after being in his larval state for four years.

Unless you're talking about Present Cell after absorbing humans and gaining enough power to defeat Piccolo and the Androids. If so, then that's fine.

I believe Future Trunks was a regular Super Saiyan when he defeated the Androids and Cell respectively. I agree with Kaboom in that Vegeta and Trunks had started down the path of Full-Power Super Saiyan by the Cell Games, but hadn't yet mastered it like Goku and Gohan (although may have by the time he defeated Cell). Perhaps having a sparring partner plays a part, since Vegeta and Trunks entered the Room of Spirit and Time alone the second time.

[hleV]

Since Trunks is stronger than Future No. 17 and 18 individually at the time of his first visit

You mean strong enough to fight back?

[Senzu_Bean]

Take a look at Trunk's hair as Grade II (during the Cell Games)...

What you're referring to SSJ 2nd Grade hair is just Trunks long hair in Super Saiyan.

So here goes the question: was Trunks a full-power Super Saiyan at this time?

Full-Power Super Saiyan isn't exactly a form that you either are or aren't. Neither are the Grades. They essentially identify the two possible ways to make your Super Saiyan form more powerful besides old school training, which is useless at this point in the story. If you rely only in building power you end with the grades. If you first get used to the form and then start build power you get Full-Power Super Saiyan. Trunks and Vegeta definitely used that method in their second time.

That is why try to simplify the Grades and Full Power as multipliers don't work.

Since Trunks is stronger than Future No. 17 and 18 individually at the time of his first visit

What?! Trunks was surprised that Vegeta could fight even with #18 prior to acknowledge she was even stronger than the #18 she know. He can't do more than fight back, which even Goku did against Freeza. He is hopeless agaisnt them!

[Fox666]

Trunks clearly mentions that the androids of the present are stronger than the ones from his future, whom he could fight one to one.

[Senzu_Bean]

Trunks clearly mentions that the androids of the present are stronger than the ones from his future, whom he could fight one to one.

They are indeed stronger than those he known but he can't fight even with them. After all he was almost killed and barely escaped when fought against them.

[Kaboom]

Trunks clearly mentions that the androids of the present are stronger than the ones from his future, whom he could fight one to one.

The Androids reveal that they never used more than half-power on Gohan before they killed him (17 never did, at least), then later likewise state that Trunks has been their "toy" as well. That's not something they'd regard him as if he ever actually was a serious threat or match for them.

[Senzu_Bean]

The Androids reveal that they never used more than half-power on Gohan before they killed him...

Before, you know, actually killed him. Someone stronger than Gohan wouldn't be sent to the hospital and barely escaped with his life if they used only half-power against him.

[Fox666]

Trunks clearly mentions that the androids of the present are stronger than the ones from his future, whom he could fight one to one.

The Androids reveal that they never used more than half-power on Gohan before they killed him (17 never did, at least), then later likewise state that Trunks has been their "toy" as well. That's not something they'd regard him as if he ever actually was a serious threat or match for them.

Or Gohan is not even half-strong as Trunks is... =/

[jackjack]

The Androids reveal that they never used more than half-power on Gohan before they killed him (17 never did, at least), then later likewise state that Trunks has been their "toy" as well. That's not something they'd regard him as if he ever actually was a serious threat or match for them.

You are completely disregarding the databooks' information in favor of your fan theories.

[Kaboom]

Or Gohan is not even half-strong as Trunks is... =/

My main point being that they revealed they treated Trunks the same way, and he would be misled into thinking he was ever actually a challenge for them. Someone who can actually put up a good fight against your true power and is a serious threat is not a "toy." Nor would 17 be so surprised that Trunks could suddenly kill 18 if he was really already that close to them.

Future Gohan (time of death) - 150
Future Trunks - 155

Android 17 - 300

• (Versus Trunks - 175)

Android 18 - 295

• (Versus Trunks - 165)

@jackjack Oh come on man. Really? There's a difference between just outright ignoring things that aren't contradicted because you don't like them, and being skeptical of things that actually are debatable. I've always maintained that.

"The future Androids are somehow weaker" really does have things going against it. Something else like "Vegeta reached SSj2 through training," which is what my quote there is in regards to, does not. If people are allowed to doubt other things that don't make much sense like Nappa being at 4000, then I'm certainly allowed to doubt this, thank you. So please, don't cop an attitude.

But now I've made my point, which admittedly isn't entirely on-topic to begin with, and I'll leave it at that.

[Senzu_Bean]

Piccolo at pair with #17 is a toy to him, so... it really doesn't work, no matter how you slice it. And it is really getting boring, I would say even ridiculous to see this popping here and there. Gohan is killed by #17 at full power.

Trunks which is even stronger than Gohan barely escaped with his life by #17 using half power... it doesn't make any sense.