Was Gohan a SSJ2 Against Broly in Movie 10?

[lash]

Yes to Gohan being SSJ 2 IMO, No to Broli being anywhere near SSJ 3 Goku

This response should have ended the topic.

[Kingdom Heartless]

Yes to Gohan being SSJ 2 IMO, No to Broli being anywhere near SSJ 3 Goku

This response should have ended the topic.

Nope, because a statement of opinion should not end a discussion.

[Ussj Future Trunks]

If anyone is getting Toei haxed its not Gohan or Vegeta. Toei like the humans and Goku more so they get more haxes. If Gohan's SSJ2 that says nothing because their powers arent that far apart. Gohan outmuscled him at one point and actually landed more blows. If Broly = MSSJ Goku, then thats talking about MOVIE 8 GOKU. Not the canon Goku. And we know King Kai was lying somewhat because look at Base Goku vs RSSJ Broly.

[Dabooyaka]

Base Gohan goes to clearly state how strong Broly is, then fights him in base. Videl/Kids really had no other option. Base Gohan actually does pretty darn well.

Base Gohan at minimum has to be in SSJ Goku's range somewhere! It wouldn't make sense if he wasn't at least close... Even half geez... Somewhere in range, or Gohan would have turned SSJ immediately after sensing Broly..


Movie 8 people are definitely post Rosat SSJs. Vegeta/Trunks SSJ forms mimic Cell Games Vegeta/Trunks , and Gohan has freaking SSJ. Gohan isn't stronger than Goku, and that's the only difference.

But we see that a lot...

Movie6 seems to mimic Goku/Vegeta/19 scenario... In which we know Vegeta >= Goku..


Also, Movie 7 seems to mimic the Android fights, which we know Vegeta>= Goku...



Thats one of the STUpidest arguments i ever heard. Because we have never seen base saiyans doing feats like this in other toei movies or animes. You thinking broly being a ssj3 level of oppent shows how much or broly fanboy are you.



So this is hardly the first time we see Goku superior to someone he's not supposed to be superior to...

[Kaboom]

Thats one of the STUpidest arguments i ever heard. Because we have never seen base saiyans doing feats like this in other toei movies or animes. You thinking broly being a ssj3 level of oppent shows how much or broly fanboy are you.

Stop this. I've seen you make several posts already with this same harsh and demeaning attitude, and it will end right now or else you won't get to post for a long while.

[p123]

Well Movie 8 Goku should be pretty damn close to Cell Games Goku. This is post rosat for Vegeta/Trunks, and they have Super Saiyan aura, not USSJ aura, yet are bulked up, EXACTLY like they were at the Cell Games.

Goku is stated to be the strongest.


At minimum, MSSJ Goku Movie 8 should be as powerful as 50% MSSJ Goku. Seeing how Vegeta/Trunks are suggested to be their Cell Games counterpart ( SSJ Aura + Bulked Up Muscles ) , I would think that MSSJ Goku Movie 8 = MSSJ Goku Cell Games, is quite a realistic comparison.

[Senzu_Bean]

Neither Vegeta or Trunks are bulked up in the Cell Games. At least not in the manga. And they clearly are SSJG in the movie.

[lash]

Yes to Gohan being SSJ 2 IMO, No to Broli being anywhere near SSJ 3 Goku

This response should have ended the topic.

Nope, because a statement of opinion should not end a discussion.

When the opinion is the only sensible thing muttered in the topic, it should. But then again, that's just my statement of opinion.

[p123]

Neither Vegeta or Trunks are bulked up in the Cell Games. At least not in the manga. And they clearly are SSJG in the movie

Vegeta/Trunks are most definitely bulked up in the Cell Games and Movie 8. In Movie 8, they have Super Saiyan auras, just like how they do in the Cell Games. I suggest you take a closer look.

USSJ has a different aura than Super Saiyan. The aura proves that Cell Games/Movie8 Vegeta/Trunks are just Super Saiyans, and not USSJ...

[Senzu_Bean]

I suggest you take a closer look.

The feeling is mutual. Here.

[lash]

Neither Vegeta or Trunks are bulked up in the Cell Games. At least not in the manga. And they clearly are SSJG in the movie

Vegeta/Trunks are most definitely bulked up in the Cell Games and Movie 8. In Movie 8, they have Super Saiyan auras, just like how they do in the Cell Games. I suggest you take a closer look.

USSJ has a different aura than Super Saiyan. The aura proves that Cell Games/Movie8 Vegeta/Trunks are just Super Saiyans, and not USSJ...

Vegeta and Trunks were SSJ Grade 2 in movie 8 though. While being basic SSJs in the Cell game.

The aura (which is always inconsistent in non-canon) is irrelevant.

[Fox666]

Well Movie 8 Goku should be pretty damn close to Cell Games Goku. This is post rosat for Vegeta/Trunks, and they have Super Saiyan aura, not USSJ aura, yet are bulked up, EXACTLY like they were at the Cell Games.

Goku is stated to be the strongest.

At minimum, MSSJ Goku Movie 8 should be as powerful as 50% MSSJ Goku. Seeing how Vegeta/Trunks are suggested to be their Cell Games counterpart ( SSJ Aura + Bulked Up Muscles ) , I would think that MSSJ Goku Movie 8 = MSSJ Goku Cell Games, is quite a realistic comparison.

You are trying to judge the characters strength based on which saga the movie would fit... however movies are inconsistent on these terms.

[p123]

Agreed. Movies are inconsistent. But there is a general way of doing things. In general, the movie characters look similar to the characters from the basic time period they were taken from. I feel comparing the likenesses, and their strength, is the best approach. It surely is better than complete randomness, and anyone making up their own personal opinion. If anything, movies are used to promote stronger characters, so the movie characters generally would be stronger than their canon counterparts, or else the movie would be a big waste of time...







Also, when has TOEI been inconsistent with the aura. Would you care to prove yourself right? From what I see, TOEI has been very , very specific, and consistent in how they depict SSJ and SSJ2...

[dbgtFO]

@p123 just PM'ed you!

[p123]

Thanks.

So anyway, Vegeta/Trunks at the Cell Games, when first encountering the Cell Jrs, are very bulked up. Hell, there is a ton of controversy, many people feel they were USSJ at the Cell Games. That POV didn't just appear out of thin air..

[Senzu_Bean]

Neither Vegeta or Trunks are SSJG during the Cell Games.

[p123]

Of course not, they have Super Saiyan auras..Same with Vegeta/Trunks in Movie 8. Super Saiyan auras once again. TOEI is very consistent with auras, and the differences between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2. I bet you can't find one single SSJ2 that isn't drawn as one in TOEI's work..

[Dabooyaka]

Well, Trunks and Vegeta have some bulk to me at the cell games, yet think they are ssjs..

[Kaboom]

Of course not, they have Super Saiyan auras..Same with Vegeta/Trunks in Movie 8. Super Saiyan auras once again. TOEI is very consistent with auras, and the differences between Super Saiyan and Super Saiyan 2. I bet you can't find one single SSJ2 that isn't drawn as one in TOEI's work...

The ONLY thing which Toei is consistent with in that department is hair, which for everyone but Goku or Kid Gohan is the LEAST dependable attribute to go by. They have a standard swooshy golden Super Saiyan aura they use for everything, which changes shape and size indiscriminately and either includes or excludes the sparks all willy-nilly. There is no consistent discernible difference in shape or pattern.

The manga is the only source with visual internal consistency, and there's a LOT of it. So much so, that I'm thinking of compiling a thread just to outline all the differences and serve as a guide. With pictures and guidebook sources and everything.

[Dabooyaka]

As for the topic at hand, I think it's pretty obvious Gohan was just a Super Saiyan against Broly.