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by kei17 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:43 am
Goku100xKamehameha wrote:My guess is that they're going to stop the production of the current (in what episodes did those two tracks got played, anyway?) Blu-ray boxes and DVDs, pull all the copies that are still in stores, then print them again with the replacement score and do the same with "Soundtrack 3".
And I'm guessing that it will be Yamamoto who will be doing the two new scores.
I think there are more to be replaced, like this.
Kai OST 3 - 16. A Grim Fate
Unknown BGM Played in a Japanese TV variety show
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by Chibi Mystic Gohan » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:48 am
Yamamoto sure is something else...
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by penguintruth » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:51 am
How do we know Yamamoto didn't compose that BGM from the variety show?
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by Goku100xKamehameha » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:55 am
kei17 wrote:Goku100xKamehameha wrote:My guess is that they're going to stop the production of the current (in what episodes did those two tracks got played, anyway?) Blu-ray boxes and DVDs, pull all the copies that are still in stores, then print them again with the replacement score and do the same with "Soundtrack 3".
And I'm guessing that it will be Yamamoto who will be doing the two new scores.
I think there are more to be replaced, like this.
Kai OST 3 - 16. A Grim Fate
Unknown BGM Played in a Japanese TV variety show
And there are a lot more than those 3 tracks. This could change the entire Kai!
penguintruth wrote:Thus making the copies with the "rip-off" music more valuable by being (relatively) rare collector's items. KEIKAKU DOORII.
Yeah, I was thinking the same thing, too. This is part of Toei's evil scheme
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Also, what does "Doorii" means?
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by Piccolo Daimaoh » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:57 am
Whoa. I didn't think Toei would even acknowledge the plagiarised tracks, let alone replace them. Still, I highly doubt the people who composed the Avatar and Terminator Salvation scores would sue.
Only time will tell how this affects the English releases.
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by CODii » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:58 am
kei17 wrote:Goku100xKamehameha wrote:My guess is that they're going to stop the production of the current (in what episodes did those two tracks got played, anyway?) Blu-ray boxes and DVDs, pull all the copies that are still in stores, then print them again with the replacement score and do the same with "Soundtrack 3".
And I'm guessing that it will be Yamamoto who will be doing the two new scores.
I think there are more to be replaced, like this.
Kai OST 3 - 16. A Grim Fate
Unknown BGM Played in a Japanese TV variety show
Looking at that thread that Goku100x (I think) provided, Yamamoto has a long history of plagiarizing music. I would be surprised if there aren't more than those three in Kai.
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by Kingdom Heartless » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:02 am
Goku100xKamehameha wrote:I wonder what Toei will do to Yamamoto.... will they fire him?
They'll take him to the moon and force him to make treats for good little boys and girls.
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by Taku128 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:03 am
Goku100xKamehameha wrote:I wonder what Toei will do to Yamamoto.... will they fire him?
I'm curious about this too. Does Toei actually care? Will they actually fire Yamamoto, or will they just give him a slap on the wrist and tell him not to do it again? I suppose it doesn't really matter now that Kai's over, but I'm glad for once Japanese music plagiarism has
some kind of consequence. Yamamoto's plagiarism dates all the way back to at least Battle Point Unlimited, who knows how many song's he actually lifted from other sources over the years.
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by CODii » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:05 am
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Whoa. I didn't think Toei would even acknowledge the plagiarised tracks, let alone replace them. Still, I highly doubt the people who composed the Avatar and Terminator Salvation scores would sue.
Why do you doubt that? Musical plagiarism suits are pretty common. The actual decision to sue would be up to the studios that distributed the films, since they own the rights to the music. I don't see any reason why Warner Bros. and 20th Century Fox
wouldn't pursue legal action. Hollywood is merciless.
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by kei17 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:09 am
penguintruth wrote:
How do we know Yamamoto didn't compose that BGM from the variety show?
Japanese variety shows always use recycled music from Hollywood movies, TV drama, anime, and video games. Very few shows have their own music. Then, Yamamoto is not popular as a composer, and there are only few pieces he composed himself outside of the DB franchise. There is very little possibility that Yamamoto composed it, I guess. Of course I am not sure though.
Goku100xKamehameha wrote:I wonder what Toei will do to Yamamoto.... will they fire him?
Well, probably.
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by Avenged » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:09 am
CODii wrote:Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Whoa. I didn't think Toei would even acknowledge the plagiarised tracks, let alone replace them. Still, I highly doubt the people who composed the Avatar and Terminator Salvation scores would sue.
Why do you doubt that? Musical plagiarism suits are pretty common. The actual decision to sue would be up to the studios that distributed the films, since they own the rights to the music. I don't see any reason why Warner Bros. and 20th Century Fox
wouldn't pursue legal action. Hollywood is merciless.
This. Hey FOX has found a way to make money off of DragonBall after all!
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by penguintruth » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:11 am
CODii wrote:Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Whoa. I didn't think Toei would even acknowledge the plagiarised tracks, let alone replace them. Still, I highly doubt the people who composed the Avatar and Terminator Salvation scores would sue.
Why do you doubt that? Musical plagiarism suits are pretty common. The actual decision to sue would be up to the studios that distributed the films, since they own the rights to the music. I don't see any reason why Warner Bros. and 20th Century Fox
wouldn't pursue legal action. Hollywood is merciless.
A lot of composers in Hollywood steal pretty frequently. They probably don't want their own so-called plagiarism brought up.
Though to be fair, most of them steal from long dead people.
I doubt Yamamoto will even be fired. He'll probably compose the new pieces, if they don't just reuse other pieces he composed that aren't "rip-offs" and will continue to get work doing video game scores.
Dragon Ball Kai is over, anyway, so what's to fire him from, anyway? The final episodes are probably already finished.
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by PuppetDoctor » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:14 am
Wow, this is very interesting news really. I wonder what Toei will do? I wonder if Yamamoto will compose new pieces or the music will just be replaced. It will be interesting to all see what happens with the releases of the DVDs/CDs.
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by samuraix123 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:16 am
Is this the reason why Nicktoons has not aired Kai?
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by CODii » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:16 am
penguintruth wrote:
A lot of composers in Hollywood steal pretty frequently. They probably don't want their own so-called plagiarism brought up.
Though to be fair, most of them steal from long dead people.
I doubt Yamamoto will even be fired. He'll probably compose the new pieces, if they don't just reuse other pieces he composed that aren't "rip-offs" and will continue to get work doing video game scores.
A decision like that wouldn't be up to the individual composers. If WB and Fox become aware of this and their lawyers believe they can win in court, then litigation will follow. They won't pass up an opportunity to make money.
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by penguintruth » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:20 am
samuraix123 wrote:is this the reason why nicktoons has not aired kai?
It has been.
For all we know, acknowledging the rip-offs is part of some deal Toei has with the other companies, along with some private settlement.
Kentai wrote:Son Gokuu is a fascinating character anyway, because he is - at face value, anyway - an idiot savant. The victim of violent head trauma as an infant [...] he's a simple bumpkin with a fair share of brain damage who's natural talents to work out what's wrong compensate for his broad lack of common sense. But he's also a fighter, through and through [...] he fight until he has, in no uncertain terms, beaten his enemy on terms they can both acknowledge. He doesn't want to kill anyone, or even prove that he can win... he just wants to know he can. He's an ineffably charming bastard who's manly leanings were really incendental, and yes, the fact that he was voiced by a squeaky woman made the combination perhaps all the more charming.
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by samuraix123 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:22 am
penguintruth wrote:samuraix123 wrote:is this the reason why nicktoons has not aired kai?
It has been.
Really?
I stopped watching a week ago because there w
ere no new episodes and
I just thought maybe they w
ere going to show reruns again
. Thanks for the info though
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by CODii » Thu Mar 10, 2011 2:24 am
Piccolo Daimaoh wrote:Yes, but lawsuits aren't exactly cheap.
Which is why they would make damn sure they could win.
If this could happen I see no reason why WB and Fox wouldn't bring a lawsuit against Toei.
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Penguintruth brings up a good point. We have no way of knowing that something hasn't happened behind closed doors.
