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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Fri Mar 04, 2011 4:06 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:Neither do I. There simply aren't reasons to put him higher than Freeza.
Ok.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:26 am

I guess, again, I'm too the only person here who thinks Gotenks' norm isn't a match for Freeza either?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:30 am

Senzu_Bean wrote:I guess, again, I'm too the only person here who thinks Gotenks' norm isn't a match for Freeza either?
Not this time. I don't think he is either. Base Vegetto is on a whole different level of his own (the story kind of requires it any way you slice it), but Gotenks doesn't need be too much stronger than any of the other base Saiyans.

Ultimately, the only worthwhile measurement of Gotenks' strength is that he can put up a fight against Super Boo with Super Saiyan 3 whereas Goku supposedly can't.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Sat Mar 05, 2011 11:32 am

Kaboom wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:I guess, again, I'm too the only person here who thinks Gotenks' norm isn't a match for Freeza either?
Not this time. I don't think he is either. Base Vegetto is on a whole different level of his own (the story kind of requires it any way you slice it), but Gotenks doesn't need be too much stronger than any of the other base Saiyans.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Godo » Sat Mar 05, 2011 1:37 pm

Senzu_Bean wrote:
Kaboom wrote:
Senzu_Bean wrote:I guess, again, I'm too the only person here who thinks Gotenks' norm isn't a match for Freeza either?
Not this time. I don't think he is either. Base Vegetto is on a whole different level of his own (the story kind of requires it any way you slice it), but Gotenks doesn't need be too much stronger than any of the other base Saiyans.
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Actually, I agree with that too. I mean, he didn't actually accomplish anything, and was thrown around most of the time. (Even though Piccolo thinking that Gotenks can't transform while already fused and his "this might actually work" line says otherwise).

lash wrote:
- Goku: 910
- Piccolo: 1,499
--- Makankousappo: 1,330

- Raditz: 1,500

Because this makes perfect sense...
It does. Piccolo had drank some sewer water by mistake the same day, so he was weakened quite a bit by his constant diarrhea.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Mon Mar 07, 2011 4:08 am

I don't see how anyone can read the manga, and think that Base Gotenks Pre and Post aren't uberly strong. They are SSJ2 tier at minimum. Obviously Base Vegetto would be much much stronger.

Kuririn/Yamcha/Piccolo and Gotenks himself all imply Base Gotenks Pre/Post, are not that weak.

I feel that many posters are subject to thinking that Base Power belongs with Base powers, and SSJ belongs with SSJ. Often you will hear a guy say, well he was a Super Saiyan, as if that means a certain level of power for everyone. Sure, their are broad ranges of powers, but to think that a Base power couldn't be SSJ2/SSJ3 tier, just because it's base, is not being unbiased, and is something that's not suggested by the manga/anime at all...

Freeza > Vegetto is as bad as a nerfing job as I have ever heard, it seems that a lot of you guys do not realize the plausibility of Base Saiyan strength's capabilities at all, and have used personal opinion, and the need to make Freeza somewhat relevant , and misconstrued a lot of stuff...

Not everyone has to accept Base Saiyan implied strength, but we should be able to see it's plausibility, and Freeza > Base Vegetto is a huge , huge nerfing job, the biggest I have ever seen...

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Mon Mar 07, 2011 8:49 am

p123 wrote:I don't see how anyone can read the manga, and think that Base Gotenks Pre and Post aren't uberly strong. They are SSJ2 tier at minimum.
Obviously not, otherwise we'd all put him that strong. But that's not how this concept, nor this thread, works.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 9:21 am

I don't know man. This forum is notorious for Base Power Nerfing. Hell, I would think you guys would even try to deny the simple facts that Base Goku >= Pikkon Weights, and Pikkon Weights is able to one shot both King Cold and Freeza.

Which would mean Base Goku is way superior to Freeza and King Cold post Cell Games... Freeza > Base Vegetto is just unreasonable don't you think?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Godo » Tue Mar 08, 2011 11:10 am

p123 wrote:I don't know man. This forum is notorious for Base Power Nerfing.
Having been a powerlevel nerd and an avid powerlevel debater on several Dragonball forums before, I could say that the reason that I like Daizex is that they have more realistic base powerlevels in comparison to other forums.

And in response to your Paikuhan argument; I for one don't take him into consideration when making up base powerlevels (since my reference is the manga, not the anime). If I were to take the anime into consideration, then yes, I'd have to put the Saiya-jins much higher than Freeza.

Other than that, I'd stay in the Vegetto in base is stronger than Freeza camp, since:
1) Vegetto is a fusion of two characters who are much, much stronger than Goten and Trunks in their base form
2) Potara fusion seems to work more efficiently than the fusion dance
3) After having Gotenks as a reference on how strong Vegetto would become, everyone were shocked to see that Vegetto was indeed much stronger than they anticipated. This was explained by Rou Kaioshin with a "rivalry boost", which made Vegetto even stronger.

Also, Buu's strength now included Gohan's as well, leading to Super Saiya-jin Vegetto having to be at least twice as strong as Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks. Since Gohan and Super Buu were near the same power range, (yeah, I know Gohan kicked Buu's ass) leaving an even more huge increase in base power for Vegetto's part. But lets keep it at Super Saiya-jin Vegetto being 2x Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks' power.

So, now some imaginary numbers come in (just to show an example):

Gohan: 1200
Super Buu: 1000
Super Saiya-jin 3 Gotenks: 1000
Gohan Buu: 2200
Super Saiya-jin Vegetto: 2200 (at least)

If we use the SEG's numbers (which I agree on), we will have to convert Vegetto and Gotenks' powers into to their base power like this:

Vegetto (base): 2200/50 = 44
Gotenks (base): 1000/400 = 2,5

This leaves Vegetto's base power as 17,5x greater than Gotenks' base power (minimum).
This is just an example to show why I think that Vegetto's base power is much greater than Gotenks'.

And then we also have the effect of the fusion and formulas, but I don't give much thought to that. I just know that by the manga and my estimations, Vegetto is much stronger than Gotenks, and would in every case have a much, much stronger base than Gotenks.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Tue Mar 08, 2011 12:52 pm

I think one could make a good case for base Gotenks being ridiculously strong and by extension Vegetto as well.
All you have to do is look at Piccolo's quote before Gotenks takes off to fight Buu. Piccolo doesn't say that he's weak as fuck, but rather that even though he is at that level, it still won't be enough.

But anyways, I personally don't see Vegetto even in base being weaker than SSJ 3 Goku because I go by the anime filler where Vegetto rivals Buu without transforming and I don't see it making much sense, when I think about how Fusion/Merging works, but that's just me.

Also here's some numbers, based on the assumption that Vegetto in base didn't surpass Freeza:

At most he is:

Vegetto: 120
- SSJ: 6,000

So let's go backwards from here..

The first definite power statement we have that uses numbers after the Freeza Arc is Goku at ½ power surpassing USSJ Vegeta.

The absolute minimum is what I'm using here.

So FPSSJ Goku is at the very least way above 300.
SSJ 2 Gohan is way above 600.
SSJ 3 Goku is way above 2,400.
Evil Buu is way above that.
Evil Buu with Gohan absorbed is way above 4,800.

So if you take Strength to be the same as Battle Power, you'll probably have some very tight spacing, if you want it to fit in.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Tue Mar 08, 2011 1:15 pm

I'm going to have to disagree on that. I do use the manga for my assumptions, it's just that the anime also implies the same thing. I would think manga implications annnndddd TOEI anime filler agreeing on the same thing would be pretty good don't you?

It's quite possible for Base Vegeta/Goku during the Saiyan Saga to perhaps surpass Freeza. Who really knows how strong Potara Fusion is? The guides say Vegeta x Goku, so if we do a 2 million x 3million, we have already far surpassed Freeza's power, going by the guides of course...

So, it's pretty unrealistic that when your own guides that your follow, contradict you. I just don't see the logic behind it. Daizex is far beyond the curve in realization of base power IMO...

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Kaboom » Tue Mar 08, 2011 3:00 pm

p123 wrote:Daizex is far beyond the curve in realization of base power IMO...
If by beyond you mean "ahead of," then I'd agree. We realize that there is no right or wrong when it comes to making up levels and that it's best done merely for fun above all else.
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 8:23 am

Lol, Fruedian slip?

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:12 am

Godo wrote:If we use the SEG's numbers (which I agree on), we will have to convert Vegetto and Gotenks' powers into to their base power like this
Note the SEG doesn't say SSJ2 and SSJ3 are normal strength x100 and x400, respectively but that SSJ2 is Super Saiyan strength x2 and SSJ3 is Super Saiyan 2 strength x4. Neither SSJG and FPSSJ are multipliers. This is something Kanzentai should correct in their battle powers guide.

p123, what's your goal? Battle powers after Freeza's defeat are entirely fan-made. You are nobody to say the battle powers people create in here are right or wrong. And just because most members on Neoseeker go along with your crazy theories doesn't mean people in here "don't know what they're talking about" when they don't agree with you.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:27 am

It's not about that. It's about going through every single plausible scenario and weighing the likelihood. It's about keeping all options open, not thinking we are better than everyone. I'd like to take you down a path of logical reasoning. Pick a topic and I'll show you what I mean...

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:27 am

Senzu_Bean wrote:
Godo wrote:If we use the SEG's numbers (which I agree on), we will have to convert Vegetto and Gotenks' powers into to their base power like this
Note the SEG doesn't say SSJ2 and SSJ3 are normal strength x100 and x400, respectively but that SSJ2 is Super Saiyan strength x2 and SSJ3 is Super Saiyan 2 strength x4. Neither SSJG and FPSSJ are multipliers. This is something Kanzentai should correct in their battle powers guide.
Where does Kanzentai's battle power guide state that SSJG and FPSSJ are multipliers? Or what is it you're talking about?

I see the SEG entry as this:
Strength of Super Saiyan = Normal State's BP x50.
Strength of Super Saiyan 2 = Strength of SSJ x2.
Strength of Super Saiyan 3 = Strength of SSJ 2 x4.

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by Senzu_Bean » Thu Mar 10, 2011 10:29 am

Kanzentai wrote:Multipliers
Oozaru: battle power x10 [M-20]
Kaio-ken xN: battle power x N [M-20; M-26; D7-p.63]
Super Saiyan 1: battle power x 50 [D7-p.83,p.44; SEG-p.62]
Super Saiyan 2: Super Saiyan 1's strength x 2 (normal strength x 100) [SEG-p.62]
Super Saiyan 3: Super Saiyan 2's strength x 4 (normal strength x 400) [SEG-p.62]
http://www.kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=list

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

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Senzu_Bean wrote:
Kanzentai wrote:Multipliers
Oozaru: battle power x10 [M-20]
Kaio-ken xN: battle power x N [M-20; M-26; D7-p.63]
Super Saiyan 1: battle power x 50 [D7-p.83,p.44; SEG-p.62]
Super Saiyan 2: Super Saiyan 1's strength x 2 (normal strength x 100) [SEG-p.62]
Super Saiyan 3: Super Saiyan 2's strength x 4 (normal strength x 400) [SEG-p.62]
http://www.kanzentai.com/bp.php?id=list
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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by p123 » Thu Mar 10, 2011 12:14 pm

Raditz Saga



Roshi 139
Yamcha 177
Kuririn 206
Tien 250

Goku
~ Weights 334
~Full Power 416
~Kamehameha 924

Raditz 1,250

Gohan
~ Rage 1 710
~ Rage 2 1,307

Piccolo
~ Weights 322
~Full Power 408
~ Light of Death 1,330





Vegeta Saga



Saibamen 1,200
Gohan 1,200
Yamcha 1,300
Kuririn 1,500
Tien 1,800
Piccolo 2,300

Injured Tien 500
~ Kikoho 2,500

Rage Gohan 2,400
~ Masenko 2,800


Nappa
~ Against Z Fighters 3,000
~ Full Power 8,000


Goku 8,050
~ Kaioken 16,100
~ Kaioken x3 24,150 ( Rapidly Decreasing )
~ KKx3 Kaioken 33,971 ( Rapidly Decreasing )
~ Kaioken x4 32,200 ( Rapidly Decreasing )
~ KKx4 Kamehameha 42,021 ( Rapidly Decreasing )


Vegeta 18,000
~ Galick Gun 34,000
~ Oozaru 180,000






Namek Saga

Freeza's Henchmen 1,200
Gohan 1,500

Kuririn
~ Weights 1,500
~ Full Power 1,770

Appule 2,000
Namekians 3,000
Kiwi 18,000
Dodoria 20,000
Vegeta 24,000

Zarbon 22,000
~ Transformed 28,000



Ginyu Saga Part 1

Guldo 5,000
Kuririn 10,500
Gohan 13,500

Vegeta 30,000
~ Blast 35,000

Reecome 40,000
Burter 40,000
Jeice 40,000
Nail 42,000
Captain Ginyu 120,000

Goku 90,000
~ Kaioken 180,000



Ginyu Saga Part 2

Kuririn 23,000
Ginyu in Goku 23,000
Gohan 29,000
Vegeta 75,000



Freeza Saga Part 1

Kuririn 150,000

Gohan 250,000

Piccolo W/Weights 275,000
~ Full Power 300,000

Vegeta 475,000

Freeza 530,000

Turles
~ Initially 30,000
~ Fruit ( 1 ) 400,000
~ Fruit ( 2 ) 750,000


Freeza Saga Part 2


Gohan 250,000
~ Rage 1,000,000


Freeza 2nd Form
~ Initially 1,060,000
~ Power Up 1 1,200,000
~ Full Power 1,400,000


Piccolo W/Weights 1,250,000
~ W/o Weights 1,500,000




Freeza Saga Part 3

Gohan 400,000
~ Rage 1,600,000
~ Rage Blast 1,900,000


Freeza 3rd Form 1,930,000


Vegeta 2,250,000
~ Blast 3,000,000


Freeza True Form 3,330,000



Freeza Saga Part 4


Freeza 3,300,000
~ 50% 72,500,000
~ 70% 101,500,000
~ 100% 145,000,000 ( Rapidly Decreasing )


Goku 3,000,000
~ Kaioken x10 30,000,000
~ Kaioken x20 60,000,000 ( Rapidly Decreasing )
~ KKx20 Kamehameha 63,600,000 ( Rapidly Decreasing )
~ Spirit Bomb 75,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 150,000,000


Cooler 140,000,000
~ Final Form 6,000,000,000
~ Super Nova 7,500,000,000





Trunks Saga

Yamcha 200,000
Kuririn 250,000
Tien 300,000
Gohan 400,000
Vegeta 3,000,000
Piccolo 5,000,000


King Cold 100,000,000

Mecha Freeza
~ Suppressed 100,000,000
~ Full Power(NotShown) 165,000,000

Trunks 3,500,000
~ Super Saiyan 175,000,000

Goku 4,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 200,000,000






Androids Saga

Yamcha 1,770,000
Kuririn 2,060,000
Tien 2,500,000
Gohan 3,290,000

Android 20 120,000,000
~ Post Absorbtion 180,000,000

Android 19 100,000,000
~ Post Absorbtion 222,000,000

Piccolo 250,000,000

Trunks 6,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 300,000,000

Goku 7,000,000
~ Sick SSJ 275,000,000 ( Rapidly Decreasing )
~ Healthy SSJ 350,000,000

Vegeta 7,500,000
~ Super Saiyan 375,000,000

Imperfect Cell 400,000,000
~ Kamehameha 400,009,821

Kamiccolo
~ With Weights 450,000,000


Cyborg 18 460,000,000





Androids Saga Part 2


Cyborg 17 500,000,000

Kamiccolo
~ W/o Weights 500,000,000
~ HellZoneGrenade 750,000,000
~ Light Grenade 1,000,000,000


Super Android 13 1,000,000,000

Android 16 1,500,000,000


Imperfect Cell
~ Post Absorbtion 1,500,000,000










Cell Saga


Tien 2,500,000
~ Shin Kikoho 1,250,000,000

Goku 7,500,000
~ Super Saiyan 375,000,000
~ USSJ 750,000,000
~ USSJ2 3,000,000,000

Semi Cell
~ Initially 2,000,000,000
~ Full Power 3,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
~ Initially 3,460,000,000
~ True Power 10,000,000,000

Vegeta 37,500,000
~ Super Saiyan 1,875,000,000
~ USSJ 3,750,000,000
~ Final Flash 13,000,000,000

Trunks 35,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 1,750,000,000
~ USSJ 3,500,000,000
~ USSJ2 14,000,000,000



Cell Games


Piccolo 1,500,000,000

Olibu 3,500,000,000

Trunks 250,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 12,500,000,000

Cell Juniors 13,500,000,000

MetaCooler
~Initially 15,000,000,000
~ PostRegen 17,500,000,000


Pikkon
~W/ Weights 3,750,000,000
~ Blazing Shot 15,000,000,000
~W/o Weights 22,000,000,000

Bojack
~ Initial 15,000,000,000
~ Transformed 25,000,000,000

Vegeta 260,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 13,000,000,000
~ Final Flash 30,000,000,000


Goku 4,000,000,000 ( M8 Goku )
~ 50% SSJ 10,000,000,000
~ 100% SSJ 20,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 44,400,000,000


BrolyM8 440,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 22,000,000,000
~ Legendary SSJ 66,000,000,000

Perfect Cell
~ Suppressed 10,000,000,000
~ Powered Up 25,000,000,000
~ Full Power 50,000,000,000
~ Power Weighted 75,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 111,000,000,000


Gohan 5,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 27,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 110,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 165,000,000,000

Super Perfect Cell
~ Full Power 100,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 222,000,000,000


Injured SSJ2 Gohan 50,000,000,000
~ Kamehameha 111,000,000,000
~ RageBurstKamehameha 244,200,000,000










Future Saga

Gohan 2,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 100,000,000

Gohan (1yrlater) 3,200,000
~ Super Saiyan 160,000,000

Trunks(14) 3,500,000
~ Super Saiyan 175,000,000

Trunks ( 16 ) 6,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 300,000,000


Cyborg 18 305,000,000

Cyborg 17
~40% ( GohanRd1) 130,000,000
~60% ( GohanRd2) 195,000,000
~ 100% 325,000,000

Imperfect Cell 1,000,000,000


Trunks ( 18 ) 250,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 12,500,000,000








The Badibi Saga

Yamcha 1,250,000

Kuririn 1,500,000

Tien 3,000,000

Cyborg 18 460,000,000

Goten 100,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 500,000,000


Trunks 105,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 525,000,000
~ Blast 650,000,000


True Power Goten 260,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 1,300,000,000

True Power Trunks 270,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 1,350,000,000


Piccolo 2,000,000,000

Kibito 2,400,000,000

Yakkon 3,000,000,000 ( 800 Killi )

East Kaioshin 10,000,000,000
North Kaioshin 11,000,000,000
West Kaioshin 12,000,000,000
Dai Kaioshin 13,000,000,000
South Kaioshin 14,000,000,000


Dabura
~ Blast Against Kibito 2,750,000,000
~ Goku's Estimate 12,500,000,000
~ True Power 18,750,000,000 ( 5,000 killi )


Gohan 3,600,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 18,000,000,000 ( 4,800 Killi )
~ SSJ Kamehameha 39,960,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 72,000,000,000

BrolyM10 540,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 27,000,000,000
~ Legendary SSJ 81,000,000,000

Vegeta 4,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 22,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 90,000,000,000


Goku 4,500,000,000
~SSJ Killi Reading 11,250,000,000 ( 3,000 Killi )
~Super Saiyan 22,500,000,000 ( 6,000 Killi )
~ SSJ2 Burst 90,000,000,000



*Goku was suppressing throughout the Badibi Saga and suppressing to a level on par with Vegeta... It is only when Goku does his burst, which I feel equals Vegeta, does Vegeta realize he is inferior. Not because of the power of the burst IMO, but the rate of increase Goku reaches for a simple burst. Goku's burst = Vegeta's SSJ2, even though full power >> a burst , so that's how Vegeta catches on. Logically, Goku must have been holding back in Base/SSJ previously, or else Vegeta would have caught wind of the gap between he and Goku earlier...








Fat Buu Saga



Majin Vegeta 6,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 30,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 120,000,000,000
~ Atomic Blast 240,000,000,000
~ Final Explosion 480,000,000,000



Majin Buu
~ Initial 60,000,000,000
~ Power Up 1 140,000,000,000
~ Power Up 2 200,000,000,000
~ Full Power 500,000,000,000



Post Z Gohan 25,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 125,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 500,000,000,000


Goku 6,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 30,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 120,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 600,000,000,000 ( Rapidly Decreasing )
(AgainstFatBuu)



Gotenks 130,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 650,000,000,000




Fusion Saga

Goten 1,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 7,500,000,000

Trunks 1,550,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 7,750,000,000


Good Buu 200,000,000,000

Evil Buu 300,000,000,000

Fat Janemba 800,000,000,000

Super Buu 28,000,000,000,000

Buucollo 28,005,050,000,000


Gotenks 750,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3,750,000,000,000
~ Ghost Kamikaze 15,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 30,000,000,000,000

Buff Buu 35,000,000,000,000

Ultimate Gohan 40,000,000,000,000

Super Janemba 50,000,000,000,000

Buutenks 58,000,000,000,000

Gogeta 12,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 60,000,000,000,000

Buuhan 68,005,050,000,000

Vegetto 60,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 300,000,000,000,000

Gokan 136,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 680,000,000,000,000





Kid Buu Saga

Vegeta 6,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 30,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 120,000,000,000

Good Buu 200,000,000,000

KibitoShin 250,000,000,000


Goku 6,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 30,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 120,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 960,000,000,000 ( Rapidly Decreasing )


Kid Buu 1,000,000,000,000






End of Z Saga


Yamcha 1,000,000

Kuririn 1,250,000

Tien 4,000,000

Piccolo 3,000,000,000

Goten 1,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 5,000,000,000

Trunks 1,050,000,000
~Super Saiyan 5,250,000,000

Uub 12,500,000,000

Good Buu 200,000,000,000


Vegeta 9,375,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 46,875,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 187,500,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 1,500,000,000,000


Goku 10,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 50,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2 200,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 1,600,000,000,000


Gotenks 500,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 2,500,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 3 20,000,000,000,000

Gohan 30,000,000,000,000

Gogeta 150,000,000,000,000
~ Super Saiyan 750,000,000,000,000





Notes


Oozaru 10x Boost of Base
Regular SSJ 50x Boost of Base
USSJ 2x boost of SSJ
USSJ2 4x boost of USSJ
LSSJ 3x boost of SSJ
MSSJ 5x Base
SSJ2 4x boost of MSSJ
SSJ3 8x boost of SSJ2




Metamoran Fusion

The weaker fighter's highest power x100 = Base Fusion Power



Potara Fusion


Same as above, except add stronger fighter's top power to the base fusion metamoran power...



Tien's Shin Kikoho is a 500x multiplier...


South multiplies Kid by 35x...Dai Kaioshin and his influence in Good Buu , only weaken Buu...

Buu absorbs everyone except Kaioshins by addition..

Rivals Boost is 5x...

Imperfect Cell + 17 = Initial Semi Cell
Semi Cell Full Power + 18 = Initial Perfect Cell

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Re: The Official Unofficial Power Levels Thread

Post by dbgtFO » Thu Mar 10, 2011 1:04 pm

Guidebook inspired Power Levels!

Initial Semi Perfect Cell = Imperfect Cell + #17
Initial Perfect Cell = Semi Perfect Cell + #18.

Buu's absorptions are simple additions with the exception of Kaioshins, who fucks him up power wise.

Super Saiyan Strength: BP of Regular State x50.
Super Saiyan 2 Strength: Strength of Super Saiyan x2 ie. BP of Regular State x100.
Super Saiyan 3 Strength: Strength of Super Saiyan 2 x4 ie. BP of Regular State x400.
Fusion: A < B: A*2000 = C.
Potara: A < B: A*4000 = C.
Vegetto = Vegeta x Goku... :twisted:

Let’s get started!

Trunks Arc
Mecha Freeza = 130.000.000.
King Cold = 110.000.000.
Trunks = 3.000.000.
- SSJ = 150.000.000.
Goku = 3.400.000.
- SSJ = 170.000.000.

The Androids Arc Part 1
Piccolo = 180.000.000.
Goku, SSJ = 215.000.000.
- Sick = 175.000.000.
#19 = 80.000.000.
+ Goku’s ki = 130.000.000.
+ Vegeta’s ki = 180.000.000.
Vegeta, SSJ = 225.000.000.
#20/Dr. Gero = 120.000.000.
+ Yamcha’s ki = 121.200.000.
+ Vegeta’s ki = 132.000.000.
+ Piccolo’s ki = 150.000.000.
Trunks, SSJ = 210.000.000.
#16 = 480.000.000.
#17 = 360.000.000.
#18 = 320.000.000.

The Androids Arc Part 2
Piccolo merged w/God = 360.000.000.
- weighted = 290.000.000.
Cell = 240.000.000.
+ Thousands of Earthlings = 480.000.000.
- Semi Perfect = 840.000.000.

Goku and Gohan’s training
Goku = 4.300.000.
- SSJ = 215.000.000.
- USSJ = 430.000.000.
- USSJ2 = 3.200.000.000.

Super Vegeta
Vegeta, SSJ = 700.000.000.
- USSJ = 1.400.000.000.
Semi Perfect Cell, MAX = 1.000.000.000.
Trunks, SSJ = 650.000.000.
- USSJ = 1.300.000.000.
- USSJ 2 = 2.250.000.000.
Perfect Cell = 1.600.000.000.
- warming up = 1.340.000.000.
- Buff = 2.400.000.000.

The Cell Games
Goku, 50% FPSSJ = 1.600.000.000.
- FPSSJ = 3.200.000.000.
Mr. Satan = 10.
Perfect Cell = 3.500.000.000.
- Full Power = 5.000.000.000.
- Power Weighted = 7.500.000.000.
- Super Perfect = 10.000.000.000.
Gohan FPSSJ = 3.750.000.000.
-SSJ2 = 11.250.000.000.
Cell Jr. = 2.500.000.000.
Piccolo = 1.000.000.000.
SSJ Vegeta = 2.300.000.000.
SSJ Trunks = 2.250.000.000.

Trunks returns
#17 = 225.000.000.
#18 = 215.000.000.
Trunks = 45.000.000.
- SSJ = 2.250.000.000.
3 years later
Trunks = 45.000.000.
- SSJ = 2.250.000.000.
Cell = 6.000.000.
- SSJ = 300.000.000.

Flashback
East Kaioshin = 1.600.000.000.
West Kaioshin = 2.000.000.000.
North Kaioshin = 2.400.000.000.
Great Kaioshin = 2.800.000.000.
South Kaioshin = 3.200.000.000.
Pure Buu = 45.000.000.000.
+South Kaioshin = 9.000.000.000.000.000. - guess why he's this strong...
Flashback ends

The Buu Arc Part 1.
Mr. Satan = 5.
Videl = 30.
Goten, SSJ = 360.000.000.
- FPSSJ = 400.000.000.
Trunks, SSJ = 369.000.000.
- FPSSJ = 410.000.000.
Gohan, SSJ 2 = 7.500.000.000.
Vegeta, SSJ 2 = 11.000.000.000.
- Destructive Prince Vegeta = 12.500.000.000.
Goku, SSJ 2 = 12.500.000.000.
- SSJ 3 = 50.000.000.000.
Piccolo = 1.000.000.000.
Kibito = 60.000.000.
Kaioshin = 2.000.000.000.
- merged = 240.000.000.000.
Yamu & Spopovich = 40.
Puipui = 20.000.
Yakon = 800.000.000.
Dabra = 7.500.000.000.
Fat Buu = 10.000.000.000.
- angry = 18.000.000.000.
- angry2 = 25.000.000.000.
- Pure Evil Buu = 15.000.000.000.
- Mr. Buu = 10.000.000.000.
- Evil Buu = 7.000.000.000.000.000.
Gotenks = 16.000.000.000.
- SSJ = 800.000.000.000.
Gohan, Post Z Sword SSJ 2 = 20.000.000.000.

The Buu Arc Part 2
Goten = 9.000.000.000.
Trunks = 9.000.000.000. - absurd right?
Piccolo = 1.000.000.000.
Gotenks = 18.000.000.000.000.
- SSJ = 900.000.000.000.000.
- SSJ 3 = 7.200.000.000.000.000.
Ultimate Gohan = 9.000.000.000.000.000.
Evil Buu = 7.000.000.000.000.000.
+ Gotenks & Piccolo = 14.200.001.000.000.000.
+ Trunks, Goten & Piccolo = 7.000.901.000.000.000.
+ Gohan, Trunks, Goten & Piccolo = 16.000.901.000.000.000.
Vegetto = 15.625.000.000.000.000.
-SSJ = 781.250.000.000.000.000.

The Buu Arc Part 3
Pure Buu = 45.000.000.000.
SSJ 3 Goku = 50.000.000.000.
SSJ 2 Vegeta = 12.500.000.000.
Mr. Buu = 10.000.000.000

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