Toei Officially Acknowledges Yamamoto's Kai Rip-Offs

[Gaffer Tape]

My only concern with KiKuchi's score being brought in is, will it fit how the scenes are edited in Kai?

I think this is the third time I've seen this point be brought up here, and I still don't get it. The scores for the DB television series were never written for specific moments or episodes to begin with. The majority of the music was specifically composed for the movies and then reused in the series. They were simply edited to appropriate length and slotted in wherever was deemed to fit. So Kai being recut should have very little impact on how that same music would fit in Kai. What matters is how the music supervisor uses it. And according to a lot of people here, you do indeed have a reason to be worried about that.

[Levlik]

I can only hope that they use this opportunity to FINALLY get movie 13's music in the series outside of the one time a single song was used.

[penguintruth]

The biggest issue will be what piece is used for which scene.

[CODii]

That totally doesnt fit with Kai. Just my opinion.

It's music made specifically for Dragon Ball Z. Dragon Ball Kai is Dragon Ball Z trimmed in places to flow at a better pace. Where does the "not fitting with Kai" come in?

For Z, not Kai.

That trumpet stuff is too out dated.

I'm a trumpet player. I just realized how out dated I feel!

[Vernichter]

Has anybody found out yet if they're keeping Dragon Soul and the two ending themes, as well as the recap and preview pieces?

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

Has anybody found out yet if they're keeping Dragon Soul and the two ending themes, as well as the recap and preview pieces?

http://www.kanzentai.com/index.php?suba ... 1299820671

[Puto]

Dragon Soul and EDs yes, according to the 2chan dude. Recap and preview, no idea. I didn't care much for the recap theme, but the preview theme was cool...

[Mewzard]

How will this affect the American releases? Will we get Unmei no Hi in Kai's dub? If so...WOO! *fist in air*

[penguintruth]

I believe they've already replaced SSJ2 Gohan's music with a piece from movie 1. (Wasn't that brought up at least twice already?)

But for all we know, that might not be permanant.

I actually quite enjoyed the Yamamoto piece, even if it wasn't as good as "Unmei no Hi". It's probably my second or third favorite piece in Kai.

"Unmei no Hi" wouldn't fit as well in the Kai recut, anyway, because I'm pretty sure they shortened the scene.

[DemonRin]

This news was just like... whoa...

Do we have any clips yet of Kai using the Kikuchi score?

And are they good, clearer stereo recordings of the Score?

[Tsukento]

I'm a trumpet player. I just realized how out dated I feel!

You're going to soon be replaced by a synthesizer. Deal with it.

[Gotham22]

That's what going to make Kai feel totally weird is keeping a few pieces from Yamamoto like the opening, ending and maybe the title, and preview themes. Then adding Kikuchi's score.

Hopefully they just dont slap on the Z score with Kai.
I guess I'm saying mixed it around like don't use the same piece for Cell that was used in Z for Kai. Use a different piece for him in Kai. Also a certain scene in Z that is still inatact in Kai and had now music in Z could have music added to that scene in Kai.

[MCDaveG]

Never understood that ''outdatiness'', everybody who says it is probably music specialist.......
I can say that that US country crap is outdated too, Hip Hop is outdated, rock is outdated, for god's sake BLACK SABBATH!!! Return to grave!
Orchestral music is outdated as well, Hans Zimmer, Danny Elfman even classics like Mozart and Bach, f**k off, you're outdated folks!
Even Faulconers badly synthetized guitars, are OUTDATED (but they really are souding like s**t, pardon me).

[Vashkey]

My only concern with KiKuchi's score being brought in is, will it fit how the scenes are edited in Kai?

I think this is the third time I've seen this point be brought up here, and I still don't get it. The scores for the DB television series were never written for specific moments or episodes to begin with.

Actually I recall in episode 7 at the very end images were being shown to the beat of a song.
I guess it's not a huge deal since nothing was really happening. But still, it's an example. I haven't watched Kai since then though so I don't know how the rest pans out.

[Gotham22]

I think this is the third time I've seen this point be brought up here, and I still don't get it. The scores for the DB television series were never written for specific moments or episodes to begin with. The majority of the music was specifically composed for the movies and then reused in the series. They were simply edited to appropriate length and slotted in wherever was deemed to fit. So Kai being recut should have very little impact on how that same music would fit in Kai. What matters is how the music supervisor uses it. And according to a lot of people here, you do indeed have a reason to be worried about that.

So no wonder why I thought the Z music never fitted the Z series well.

[Cold Skin]

If Kikuchi is involved, ask for authorization to take music directly from other recent anime he's done, or ask him to make a few new pieces, but not even one old piece, not for the beautiful ending we've expected. Don't end a great show with low quality episodes ruined by the sound taking all the emotion away, please!!

This track plays right after everyone realizes Goku died from Cell's explosion in Z. Gohan is crying, angry with himself that he didn't listen to his father and that because of him, Goku sacrificed himself in order to protect everyone. Kuririn comforts Gohan, telling him that he did his best and that his father at least died with a content look on his face, knowing how strong his son had gotten.

So tell us. How does that track not emphasize any kind of emotion or take away from the scene?

Music is a matter of personal opinion, so there's no absolute answer. But to me, that's just cheesy. It's basically SNES music trying to sound as emotional as an orchestra. Either it has to be redone with nowadays technical assets to sound less ridiculous, or be replaced altogether. Trust me, I've seen the reactions with the special "Goku and his friends return" from non-fans hearing the sound without seeing the picture, it goes from "don't tell me you're watching Dora" to "you own a PlayStation 3 just to play PS One games?!"

Maybe Cold Skin would rather hear this.

I wouldn't, though.

This sounds much worse, it's actually SNES music trying to sound like SNES music! I don't get it.

No, seriously, is Yamamoto the only composer understanding that Dragon Ball deserves a soundtrack echoing that of a high-budget internationnaly successful movie? One of my friends confused Heroic Face-Off with the music of the movie Transformers (moment during which all alien robots land on Earth)! No matter what I think of the movie itself, she confused it with an international blockbuster, and with the greatest music of that blockbuster, I guess that's just a more flattering confusion than the ones cited above, and one that underlines the difference in quality, and it has drawn her attention.

The fact is that I like Dragon Ball to be taken seriously, even by non-fans (I'm not saying haters, just non-fans). And it's just not possible with music sounding like it says "I'm an old anime that no one should care about nowadays and I don't try to be anything else". The soundtrack has to be an element that push people to give the show a chance simply cause "hey, it's actually movie-quality, I didn't expect that, it conveys as much emotion as going to the cinema, maybe I should watch a few episodes cause the story could convey strong emotions...".

I'm very worried about the fact that I feel the franchise is drowning, it lacks something revolutionnary happening. And Toei doesn't seem to be keen on spending too much money on what is essentially THE manga. Why can't they take the greatest risk in history and turn Dragon Ball into the best looking and best sounding manga ever? Is there any other manga that deserves it more than the manga everybody knows? Doesn't Dragon Ball deserve a rebirth with the greatest effort ever being put into it? Serious music able to impress everyone nowadays, serious graphics able to astonish everyone nowadays, serious choices able to amaze everyone nowadays? That's what Yamamoto tried to do, and he may have failed given fans reaction, but at least he understood that Dragon Ball deserves to be treated as similarly as possible to a "blockbuster of the year that everyone wants to see", to the point of apparently "stealing" music from the cinema world for it.

If necessary, just do what they did with the Tomb Raider video games, give the whole franchise to a more competent and involved group so that it restores the magnificence it should be known for (regardless of stubborn fans who will always be unable to say something else than "the original will always be better" no matter what actually happens). Damn, take the franchise seriously, eliminate or manipulate all elements that might make it's not taken seriously (= anything outdated) and give it back its rightful place in people's hearts, instead of letting it drown. I expect that after Kai, we won't be seeing anything knew in the franchise for a long while (aside from video games maybe), as it seems to have proven that most fans are stuck in the 80s, thinking that their franchise will be able to survive if it doesn't adapt to its evolving environment.

Understand I don't mean to offend anyone, I just try to share my opinion, showing my passion and how I care about the show, and I understand other opinions and tastes. My own opinion is: to me, the show has to forget what it was back then and be reborn to fit nowadays standards if we want it to live on, both in the world and in our hearts. Everything has been done with the original (perfect restitution of the original show with the Dragon Boxes, perfect restitution of the manga with the Kanzenban). Kai was a half-attempt to match with current standards, taking a first real step in the direction of "going beyond the original to keep the show living", and that's why I'm sad that just for the last episodes, one of its core assets in that attempt will be taken out, ultimately marking a step backward, showing that the franchise will not be moving forward anytime soon, which is a risk of it drowning further and further down and being unable to reach the surface when the time comes if they wait too long to take a GIANT step.

[Chibi Mystic Gohan]

I think this is the third time I've seen this point be brought up here, and I still don't get it. The scores for the DB television series were never written for specific moments or episodes to begin with. The majority of the music was specifically composed for the movies and then reused in the series. They were simply edited to appropriate length and slotted in wherever was deemed to fit. So Kai being recut should have very little impact on how that same music would fit in Kai. What matters is how the music supervisor uses it. And according to a lot of people here, you do indeed have a reason to be worried about that.

So no wonder why I thought the Z music never fitted the Z series well.

That pretty much applies for any TV series, though.

[Metalwario64]

It's basically SNES music trying to sound as emotional as an orchestra.

I don't understand that analogy, because Kikuchi's score is an orchestra. So how could it be trying to sound like an orchestra?

[The Time Traveller]

Tanooki said something about Dragon Ball Z Kai Part 5 being pushed back a little, I guess we gotta wait for its release to see if it has something to do with this news.

Unless someone from Funimaton tells us.

[Gaffer Tape]

I think this is the third time I've seen this point be brought up here, and I still don't get it. The scores for the DB television series were never written for specific moments or episodes to begin with. The majority of the music was specifically composed for the movies and then reused in the series. They were simply edited to appropriate length and slotted in wherever was deemed to fit. So Kai being recut should have very little impact on how that same music would fit in Kai. What matters is how the music supervisor uses it. And according to a lot of people here, you do indeed have a reason to be worried about that.

So no wonder why I thought the Z music never fitted the Z series well.

Um, you do know that, aside from being created for movies, Yamamoto's score was composed and utilized in the exact same way, right? Like Chibi Mystic Gohan said, that's how most scores for television series are done.