Toei Officially Acknowledges Yamamoto's Kai Rip-Offs

[Soul]

Yeah specifically, in terms of the Nicktoons broadcast? I'd assume if WE DO see the score change, it'll be this Monday at the earliest.
Otherwise, is Part 5 that bad of a place to start with Kikuchi's score? Especially if you have Part's 1-4 already, it does begin the Artificial Human & Cell saga, so you could have a slightly different vibe from before.

[GotenDaisuki]

Yeah specifically, in terms of the Nicktoons broadcast? I'd assume if WE DO see the score change, it'll be this Monday at the earliest.
Otherwise, is Part 5 that bad of a place to start with Kikuchi's score? Especially if you have Part's 1-4 already, it does begin the Artificial Human & Cell saga, so you could have a slightly different vibe from before.

However, if FUNimation doesn't do anything with the earlier releases, Kai's home release would be imperfect and inconsistent, which means that America will probably never get a perfect dub.

[Gotham22]

Yeah specifically, in terms of the Nicktoons broadcast? I'd assume if WE DO see the score change, it'll be this Monday at the earliest.
Otherwise, is Part 5 that bad of a place to start with Kikuchi's score? Especially if you have Part's 1-4 already, it does begin the Artificial Human & Cell saga, so you could have a slightly different vibe from before.

Well the last 2 episodes of the Freeza arc will on volume 5. I've read some people wouldn't care about the Android arc but would like to have the complete Freeza arc on dvd/blu-ray with the Kai music.

[Gaffer Tape]

I don't think it really matters if NickToons "cares" or not. Toei seems to want Yamamoto's music gone as quickly as possible. Ultimately, they have the final say, so FUNi and therefore NickToons would have to cooperate.

Actually, this is strange on Toei's part. Of course, they want Yamamoto out of the picture, and are making the other dubs take out the music, but... this is the first instance of them ever giving a damn to foreign dubs. If they didn't care about the dubs regarding the incident, they wouldn't care what the other dubs did, and ultimately, Toei would have gotten in trouble.

Why is that strange? The disregarding what the dubs did before was an entirely different scenario. Of course Toei cares now if their score might get them sued. Hell, for all we know, it's the extra exposure the American release brought the series that brought this music controversy to someone's attention. After all, it is American film scores that Yamamoto was supposedly ripping off. Given America's litigation-happy climate and the increased chance of recognition, Toei has a damn good reason for taking an active interest in their North American licensees.

[AnimeMaakuo]

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[Kid Buu]

I just read every page to this thread, I am one happy one.

I'm glad I didn't buy the DVDs when they first came out, I had a feeling that waiting was the better choice.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

I'm about to pay $60 (Shipping costs a whopping $40) to get this off Amazon UK (Couldn't get it off US because I'm in NZ), the same price as I would've payed for had I waited for Madman to release it in May/June, but since the score might be getting replaced with Kikuchi, I'm taking no chances and I'm willing to pay the extra money for Yamamoto (He's my favourite composer afterall and these sets could become extremely rare). Besides, I'll also get the fancy box and have it a couple of months before its NZ release. Downisde is it'll break consistency within my collection as I have Part 1 on DVD and Parts 2 and 3 on Blu-Ray. Oh well, I'll get Parts 5 and onwards on Blu-Ray.

[Gotham22]

It seems some aren't like this with the new episode premiering with the Kikuchi music. Either too much music, the pacing of the show not working with the music, or choices of certain music peices.

I wonder what the Dub fans here in American will feel like when they get the taste of this.
I can definitely see sales and ratings dropping.

[Gaffer Tape]

I wonder what the Dub fans here in American will feel like when they get the taste of this.
I can definitely see sales and ratings dropping.

Yeah... I'm sure it's reeeeeaaally going to have a substantial effect. People will tune out in droves because the music suddenly got better.

Seriously, though. People didn't stop watching when Faulconer started scoring, even though the backlash was pretty huge. They didn't stop watching then the two DBZ movies used Kikuchi's score. People just aren't going to care. Well, they're going to care... well, the obsessive fanboys and fangirls like us will care. Most other people will just shrug and move on. And they'll bitch about it on message boards. But they'll still watch. And still buy.

[Gotham22]

Some have been saying they arent going to buy Kai at all or just but the first 4 volumes and are uncertained to buy the rest of the series.

[DragonBoxZTheMovies]

Well I didn't order it tonight due to problems with the Amazon account. I hope nothing will happen tonight eg. product recall, someone purchases the only two copies available on Amazon UK. I also emailed Madman for an explanation on the upcoming home releases, specifically Part 4, which still hasn't come out over here in Aus and NZ and if a product recall is already progress.

[Gaffer Tape]

Some have been saying they arent going to buy Kai at all or just but the first 4 volumes and are uncertained to buy the rest of the series.

Maybe I'm just jaded by my many years of fandom, but, no... I see angry fans holding their breath and making threats like this, but I do I honestly believe many of them will actually go through with it? People who have followed Kai all this time aren't going to finish their collections? They'll stop watching entirely? Considering this is a franchise that has a viable market for a Kame-sennin-shaped tissue box (ie. the fans will buy literally anything), I find it highly unlikely that this will ultimately have any significant, negative consequences on the series. Hell, it's actually probably boosting sales if anything. Aside from the rush to grab DVDs before they might be recalled, you couldn't buy better publicity. I wouldn't be surprised if people who hadn't watched Kai in months tuned in today just to see if Yamamoto's score was really going to be replaced. And then there are those who have said they'd like to own both versions. So now you have a subset of fans who are going to buy the show TWICE when before they would only have bought it once!

[Gotham22]

that will be impossible to own both versions.

[Krycek7o2]

Well, I guess it's done. I wasn't expecting the other dubs to follow so quickly to be honest. Feels kind of nice hearing Kikuchi, but at the same time odd. Well, we have to thank Yamamoto for creating such an awkward situation for fans.

[Soul]

The issue of FUNi recalling Kai is iffy, but specifically, any newer editions of Parts 1-4 will indeed contain Kikuchi's score.
I wouldn't doubt it, anyone else who'd say different is just silly.

[Gotham22]

The issue of FUNi recalling Kai is iffy, but specifically, any newer editions of Parts 1-4 will indeed contain Kikuchi's score.
I wouldn't doubt it, anyone else who'd say different is just silly.

Is that even true or just made up rumors.

[Brad Redfield]

Well, now I'm glad that I didn't pick up anything past the first DVD set.

In fact, this is the perfect excuse for me to start over and pick up the Blu-ray version if Funimation does re-release everything with the Kikuchi score.

[Budogenkai]

I just read every page to this thread, I am one happy one.

I'm glad I didn't buy the DVDs when they first came out, I had a feeling that waiting was the better choice.

Yep, my thoughts exactly. I bought part 1 on DVD a while back but sold it, and am glad because I prefer the Kikuchi score miles over the Kai score. I hope they re-release them on Blu-Ray with the Kikuchi score, and perhaps even the Faulconer score, that would be amazing.

[GotenDaisuki]

This is going to be interesting wherever FUNimaition decides to go along with this.

[Gaffer Tape]

that will be impossible to own both versions.

Assuming a re-release happens, it certainly won't be impossible to own both versions of the sets that have already been released.