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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:49 pm

So? You can just dismiss anything in the series by saying "well it's worshiping a character I don't like so screw it." But what's the point? I hate Broly but I'm not going to go "the Broly fight in DB Multiverse didn't happen because he should've been one-shotted."
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Rocketman » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:52 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:And he was clearly trying hard to overpower Boohan. The difference between Anime Vegetto and Anime Boohan wasn't very big to begin with
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It was also stated that Vegetto was pounding Buu so hard his regeneration was failing. Not by energy, not by vaporizing, just by the sheer power of his hits.

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Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:53 pm

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It was also stated that Vegetto was pounding Buu so hard his regeneration was failing. Not by energy, not by vaporizing, just by the sheer power of his hits.
So what? Candy Vegetto was just as strong as normal Vegetto but he was small as shit, thus making him harder to hit thus even worse than normal Vegetto! And Boohan was diluted due to all of the absorptions he had in him most likely. Chibi Boo's regeneration was shitloads better than any of the other Boo's simply because he is pure, no-absorptions Boo.
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Fox666 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:54 pm

Rocketman wrote:It was also stated that Vegetto was pounding Buu so hard his regeneration was failing. Not by energy, not by vaporizing, just by the sheer power of his hits.
Huh, I think that is not right. I always assumed that like the namekians, Boo's regeneration depends of his Ki. So he was fatiguing by his battle with Vegetto...

Not that this dismiss Vegetto's strength

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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Kid Buu » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:56 pm

Was Vegetto SSj1 or SSj2? Anyways, I doubt we ever saw Vegetto's full power, I'm sure he could go SSJ3.
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Fox666 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:58 pm

He was SSJ1. But he probably wasn't even using all of his power from this form...
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Kaboom » Sat Mar 26, 2011 2:58 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:And he was clearly trying hard to overpower Boohan. The difference between Anime Vegetto and Anime Boohan wasn't very big to begin with, especially considering how Vegetto freaked out and had to use Instantaneous Movement to escape from Boohan's Kamikaze Ghosts.
It would be a BIGGER difference than in the manga, actually. In the manga, Vegetto hopped up to Super Saiyan immediately, at least suggesting that he'd actually NEED it to fight Boo. In the anime, Vegetto was already putting up a fight and smacking Boo around a bit in base form.

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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Fox666 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:02 pm

Kaboom wrote:Gohan-Boo - 100
Manga-Vegetto - 10, Super Saiyan - 500
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:04 pm

Fox666 wrote:Huh, I think that is not right. I always assumed that like the namekians, Boo's regeneration depends of his Ki. So he was fatiguing by his battle with Vegetto...

Not that this dismiss Vegetto's strength
Not saying you're wrong or anything but do you have a source? I've never heard this myself and assumed Boohan had the problems he had because he was arguably the most diluted Boo, while Chibi Boo had ridiculous regeneration because he was purely Boo.
Kaboom wrote:It would be a BIGGER difference than in the manga, actually. In the manga, Vegetto hopped up to Super Saiyan immediately, at least suggesting that he'd actually NEED it to fight Boo. In the anime, Vegetto was already putting up a fight and smacking Boo around a bit in base form.

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Manga-Vegetto - 10, Super Saiyan - 500
Anime-Vegetto - 90, Super Saiyan - 4,500
Yeah but Boohan then said Vegetto still hadn't surpassed him and Vegetto responded by turning Super Saiya-jin. I personally think it's in the same vein as SSjin 2 Goku vs. Chibi Boo but that's just me.
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Fox666 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:08 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:
Fox666 wrote:Huh, I think that is not right. I always assumed that like the namekians, Boo's regeneration depends of his Ki. So he was fatiguing by his battle with Vegetto...

Not that this dismiss Vegetto's strength
Not saying you're wrong or anything but do you have a source? I've never heard this myself and assumed Boohan had the problems he had because he was arguably the most diluted Boo, while Chibi Boo had ridiculous regeneration because he was purely Boo.
It depends on you, but as far I can interpret this line it should be like that
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P5.3
Context: as pure Boo beats up on good Boo some more
Vegeta: “…This is bad…Have you noticed, Kakarot?...The fatso’s power is falling…If it’s Boo against Boo, then he could take damage…”

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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:10 pm

Fox666 wrote:It depends on you, but as far I can interpret this line it should be like that
Chapter: 514 (DBZ 320), P5.3
Context: as pure Boo beats up on good Boo some more
Vegeta: “…This is bad…Have you noticed, Kakarot?...The fatso’s power is falling…If it’s Boo against Boo, then he could take damage…”
I personally always thought that meant that in the Manga, only a Boo can actually cause real damage to another Boo (as opposed to something he just instantly regenerates from and laughs at.) Kind of like only a diamond can cut a diamond or something, except magical. But that's just me.
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by lash » Sat Mar 26, 2011 3:35 pm

CatouttaHell wrote: Yeah but Boohan then said Vegetto still hadn't surpassed him and Vegetto responded by turning Super Saiya-jin. I personally think it's in the same vein as SSjin 2 Goku vs. Chibi Boo but that's just me.
Boo was just talking arrogant talk like Perfect Cell did to SSJ2 Gohan. Boo didn't even think Super Vegetto was stronger then him when he first appeared and even after getting pounded by the same Super Vegetto.The showing of the battle is obviously better supported then faulty statements from an arrogant fool. Base Vegetto was definitely stronger then Boo(just not enough for sheer domination). Boo actually says he'd wouldn't hold back anymore after a warmup fight, rushes Vegetto, and gets absolutely sat. Boo's entire body gets caved in against itself, and normal Vegetto hadn't even broken a sweat.
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Rocketman » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:16 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:I personally always thought that meant that in the Manga, only a Boo can actually cause real damage to another Boo (as opposed to something he just instantly regenerates from and laughs at.) Kind of like only a diamond can cut a diamond or something, except magical. But that's just me.
Manga Vegetto has that power also.

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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Zephyr » Sat Mar 26, 2011 4:37 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:IMHO, Chaotic Boohan was just part of Chibi Boo's power coming forth due to Boohan's rage being so out of control that his inner Chibi Boo took over. So I consider that evidence enough that Chibi Boo is WAY above the other Boos and likely above SSjin Vegetto.
How can you consider your opinion to be evidence?

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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:16 pm

lash wrote:Boo was just talking arrogant talk like Perfect Cell did to SSJ2 Gohan. Boo didn't even think Super Vegetto was stronger then him when he first appeared and even after getting pounded by the same Super Vegetto.The showing of the battle is obviously better supported then faulty statements from an arrogant fool. Base Vegetto was definitely stronger then Boo(just not enough for sheer domination). Boo actually says he'd wouldn't hold back anymore after a warmup fight, rushes Vegetto, and gets absolutely sat. Boo's entire body gets caved in against itself, and normal Vegetto hadn't even broken a sweat.
Shin Boo got holes in his body from somebody firing a GUN at him. Boohan was holding back massively, regardless of what he said. Base Vegetto effortlessly deflected his ginormous Ki ball and Boohan just smiled happily after he did it. And not to mention he seemed to be powering up after Vegetto beat him up, despite saying before that he was going all out. The whole incident where Vegetto feared for his life and used Instantaneous Movement to escape Boohan's Kamikaze Ghosts at the last moment shows that he wasn't all that far above Boohan in his SSjin form, much less his base form.
Zephyr wrote:How can you consider your opinion to be evidence?
Chaotic Boohan being part of Chibi Boo's power is to me the best explanation for that random burst of power. Thus it supports my opinion that Chibi Boo is stronger than SSjin Vegetto.
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Rocketman » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:31 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:The whole incident where Vegetto feared for his life and used Instantaneous Movement to escape Boohan's Kamikaze Ghosts at the last moment shows that he wasn't all that far above Boohan in his SSjin form, much less his base form.
I don't recall that. I remember Vegetto mocking Buu for thinking that would've killed him.

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Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:52 pm

Well yeah, it didn't kill him because of his Instantaneous Movement. Judging by his facial expression when he freaked out and teleported the heck out of there I wouldn't say that was a harmless attack to him.
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Fox666 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:53 pm

CatouttaHell wrote:Shin Boo got holes in his body from somebody firing a GUN at him.
You know that Goku at the beggining of the series, with a battle power of 10, could resist a bullet, don't you? You shouldn't even consider the idea that Evil Boo is not strong enough to resist a bullet

The reason why that happened is because Majin Boo is a pink blob creature

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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by CatouttaHell » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:54 pm

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CatouttaHell wrote:Shin Boo got holes in his body from somebody firing a GUN at him.
You know that Goku at the beggining of the series, with a battle power of 10, could resist a bullet, don't you? You shouldn't even consider the idea that Evil Boo is not strong enough to resist a bullet

The reason why that happened is because Majin Boo is a pink blob creature

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Yes, I was replying to his statement that Vegetto caved Boo's body in, as if that is a huge feat.
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Re: Was Ultimate Gohan stated by Toriyama to be the stronges

Post by Fox666 » Sat Mar 26, 2011 5:56 pm

Sorry. My mistake

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