Fan Project - Ultimate Dragonball

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 11:18 am

Ok, for those of you who dont know what Marvel's Ultimate line is, Ill give a brief description. Its basically taking classic characters and introducing them for the first time in today's world. Well I'm taking this concept and applying it to Dragonball. So far I have

Goku- 12 year old punk orphan (picture more or less Ichigo from Bleach)
Bulma- 16 year old Goth, hates parents
Yamucha- 18 years old, muscle for hire, bounty hunter
Oolong- 50 yr old human, shape shifter, chinese mafia leader
Puar- doesnt talk, Yaucha's pet wolf (yes wolf)
Pilaf- 30 yr old human, Oolong's rival in mafia, has potential to be leader
Chi-chi- 13 years old, "weapon" owned by government , experiences emotions for the first time when she meets Goku
Ox-king- Chi-chi's android "father", doesnt speak

I have character sketches Ill post later. So what are your thoughts? Any input?

Oh and EX, feel free to lock this if it doesnt belong here.

Dominator · Post by **Dominator** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:43 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Ok, for those of you who dont know what Marvel's Ultimate line is, Ill give a brief description. Its basically taking classic characters and introducing them for the first time in today's world. Well I'm taking this concept and applying it to Dragonball. So far I have

Goku- 12 year old punk orphan (picture more or less Ichigo from Bleach)
Bulma- 16 year old Goth, hates parents
Yamucha- 18 years old, muscle for hire, bounty hunter
Oolong- 50 yr old human, shape shifter, chinese mafia leader
Puar- doesnt talk, Yaucha's pet wolf (yes wolf)
Pilaf- 30 yr old human, Oolong's rival in mafia, has potential to be leader
Chi-chi- 13 years old, "weapon" owned by government , experiences emotions for the first time when she meets Goku
Ox-king- Chi-chi's android "father", doesnt speak

I have character sketches Ill post later. So what are your thoughts? Any input?

Oh and EX, feel free to lock this if it doesnt belong here.

Despite that I am looking forward to your artwork, I really do hate those descriptions.

askani son · Post by **askani son** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 2:56 pm

Wow I hate Ultimates...story and artwork, I hope u can make this work Sun, I am looking forward to seeing them but don't make me hate them as much as Ultimates please

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:29 pm

You hate the Ultimates? Are you joking? Its one of Marvel's best comics. But I didnt mean just them I meant the entire line. Spidey, X-men, and Ultimates ect.

Dominator, what dont you like about the descriptions? That I totaly changed all of the characters, or how they're typed out?

gallagtor · Post by **gallagtor** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:01 pm

I don't know. It reminds me of that GI JOE Reloaded comic that came out a year or so ago. The characters were all changed. (Doc became a woman, Rock and Roll became a punker, etc.) It just wasn't the same. I think you could easily remake Dragon Ball without turning Gyu-Mao into an android.

askani son · Post by **askani son** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:04 pm

I just hate them, changing the story to "suit a wider (and probably younger - more hip, as the oldies say) audience."
Plus I have one MAJOR problem with spiderman Ultimates, The HUGE head.

Caracal · Post by **Caracal** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:10 pm

In theory it's a nice idea but in practise I'm not so sure if the changes you made was the right choice. From what I've read about the Ultimate series, the characters are pretty much the same but with a few differences, like Kitty Pryde having a crush on Spider-Man (and later dating Peter), Peter being the webmaster for the Daily Bugle instead of a photographer etc. Perhaps make smaller changes. Yamcha as a Bounty Hunter is a good idea IMO, but making Goku into a punk ruins the whole point behind him.

Also perhaps add in one or two more DBZ characters as the Ultimate comics have made a number of changes to the introduction of villains. For example the Green Goblin turns up later in Spidey's history but is the first character Ultimate Peter fights. Perhaps have say Bardock or Vegeta around since the word go but they have little to know knowledge of being Saiyans. Alternatively Goku is aware of being a Saiyan but still wants to defend Earth. Alternatively have Son Gohan in the series. Before you ask how, Ben Reilly has appeared in Ultimate Spider-Man but isn't the clone of Peter.

Tenka-Ichi · Post by **Tenka-Ichi** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:48 pm

I think it could be good... But I do have few disagreements with somethings...

Android Gyuumaou? This doesn't really work. Besides, there already are androids in the series.

Punk Goku? Goth Bulma? These are supposed to be likeable characters.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:59 pm

If you think about it, Goku wouldnt survive in today's world. A 12 year old boy trying to survive on his own in this world would die if he was like Goku is now. The only way I can upadate Goku is to change his attitude. I really dont know who I could bring in early. Vejiita wouldnt work, because then I would have to change the whole Saiyan saga when I get to it.

And yeah I know about Ben Reily, I read the book. The whole Carnage story pisses me off. Mainly due to Gwen Stacy, but lets try to stay on topic here...

Demi · Post by **Demi** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:22 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Ok, for those of you who dont know what Marvel's Ultimate line is, Ill give a brief description. Its basically taking classic characters and introducing them for the first time in today's world. Well I'm taking this concept and applying it to Dragonball. So far I have

Goku- 12 year old punk orphan (picture more or less Ichigo from Bleach)
Bulma- 16 year old Goth, hates parents
Yamucha- 18 years old, muscle for hire, bounty hunter
Oolong- 50 yr old human, shape shifter, chinese mafia leader
Puar- doesnt talk, Yaucha's pet wolf (yes wolf)
Pilaf- 30 yr old human, Oolong's rival in mafia, has potential to be leader
Chi-chi- 13 years old, "weapon" owned by government , experiences emotions for the first time when she meets Goku
Ox-king- Chi-chi's android "father", doesnt speak

I have character sketches Ill post later. So what are your thoughts? Any input?

Oh and EX, feel free to lock this if it doesnt belong here.

No offence but.... that sounds crap.

Rocketman · Post by **Rocketman** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 8:50 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:If you think about it, Goku wouldnt survive in today's world. A 12 year old boy trying to survive on his own in this world would die if he was like Goku is now. The only way I can upadate Goku is to change his attitude. I really dont know who I could bring in early. Vejiita wouldnt work, because then I would have to change the whole Saiyan saga when I get to it.

You could put Vegeta into DB, and replace him in the Saiyan Saga with Tullece.

The S · Post by **The S** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 10:07 pm

It actually sounds more like DC's Tangent Comics.

Nevertheless, I'd be interested in seeing the character designs. I likes me some AU stuff.

Jerseymilk · Post by **Jerseymilk** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 7:41 am

Sun_Wukong wrote:If you think about it, Goku wouldnt survive in today's world. A 12 year old boy trying to survive on his own in this world would die if he was like Goku is now. The only way I can upadate Goku is to change his attitude.

How would he not be able to survive in this day and age? I mean yes his naivety would get him into lots of messes, but it's not like he can't KO the majority of the population on the planet. I think he could take care of himself just fine.

I just can't see Buruma as a goth. I'd see her more into the whole rap and hip hop scene I think.

Leotaku · Post by **Leotaku** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 8:08 am

Jerseymilk wrote:
Sun_Wukong wrote:If you think about it, Goku wouldnt survive in today's world. A 12 year old boy trying to survive on his own in this world would die if he was like Goku is now. The only way I can upadate Goku is to change his attitude.
How would he not be able to survive in this day and age? I mean yes his naivety would get him into lots of messes, but it's not like he can't KO the majority of the population on the planet. I think he could take care of himself just fine.

Forget having to do that in THIS day and age. He already was doing that in the official series. People taking advantage of his naivety, ignorance, and trust, and still losing out in the end.
So yes, he's already demonstrated he can take care of himself.

In fact, wasn't that where lots of the fun came in anyway? Goku getting into a mess because of the nature of his personality.

I can't say I like your concepts in detail, but the general concept of re-imagining it is interesting.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 9:10 am

Re-imagining is hard, especially when you want to try and break away from what's pre-established. Not only do you have to try and keep things fresh with your new take on them but you also have to deal with the people who faint when they see something that isn't 'what they're used to' (the types of people that drive me up the wall -_-) or it's 'not the same' (which is the point).

I like your ideas so far Sun. Though, I will go with Jers on the matter of Bulma. She makes me think of hip-hop than Goth. 18 could easily be made a Goth (and has already been done so before, love that Fanart of Goth 18 too). Still, anything and everything is doable if done right.

Sun_Wukong · Post by **Sun_Wukong** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 10:30 am

Hmm, yeah, I may have to change Bulma. My other ideas I like so I'm sticking to them. Youll just have to see how they work out.

SonGokuGT · Post by **SonGokuGT** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 12:25 pm

Sun_Wukong wrote:Ok, for those of you who dont know what Marvel's Ultimate line is, Ill give a brief description. Its basically taking classic characters and introducing them for the first time in today's world. Well I'm taking this concept and applying it to Dragonball. So far I have

Goku- 12 year old punk orphan (picture more or less Ichigo from Bleach)
Bulma- 16 year old Goth, hates parents
Yamucha- 18 years old, muscle for hire, bounty hunter
Oolong- 50 yr old human, shape shifter, chinese mafia leader
Puar- doesnt talk, Yaucha's pet wolf (yes wolf)
Pilaf- 30 yr old human, Oolong's rival in mafia, has potential to be leader
Chi-chi- 13 years old, "weapon" owned by government , experiences emotions for the first time when she meets Goku
Ox-king- Chi-chi's android "father", doesnt speak

I have character sketches Ill post later. So what are your thoughts? Any input?

Oh and EX, feel free to lock this if it doesnt belong here.

Sorry, but with those descriptions I don't think it'll work... you're totally changing the characters... You're better off making an original story and characters.

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 1:54 pm

Sorry, but with those descriptions I don't think it'll work... you're totally changing the characters... You're better off making an original story and characters.

Changing things is the point of doing something like this. It's been done a billion times in a million other series, by thousands of other fans. Hell, I saw a fic where Goku, Vegeta, Raditz, and Bardock were all angels and it was set in the future of the real world. I've got a fic where everyone that's not Human is a demon or related to Kais, and I've got another in mind where everyone is Human.

The piont to something like this is to re-tell the series in a different way, much like American comics (and hell, anime) LOVES to do. If things weren't different it wouldn't be a re-invisioning.

gallagtor · Post by **gallagtor** » Thu Oct 06, 2005 4:26 pm

Xyex wrote:
Sorry, but with those descriptions I don't think it'll work... you're totally changing the characters... You're better off making an original story and characters.
Changing things is the point of doing something like this. It's been done a billion times in a million other series, by thousands of other fans. Hell, I saw a fic where Goku, Vegeta, Raditz, and Bardock were all angels and it was set in the future of the real world. I've got a fic where everyone that's not Human is a demon or related to Kais, and I've got another in mind where everyone is Human.

The piont to something like this is to re-tell the series in a different way, much like American comics (and hell, anime) LOVES to do. If things weren't different it wouldn't be a re-invisioning.

I can re-invision anything without really changing any of the characters. I apologize for using Transformers as an example, but they're the medium I'm most familiar with. If you look at the cartoon from the 80s, and compare it to the monthly comics of today, you'll see that the characters really aren't all that different. Their personalities are fleshed out, making them appear deeper, but nothing personality-wise. Yet they're still able to retell the origin of the Transformers in a darker, more mature fashion than they could 20 years ago. I think that the same result could be achieved in retelling Dragon Ball.

But good luck with your story Sun. I'm not saying you shouldn't go through with it, it's just not my kind of thing.

rkpres17 · Post by **rkpres17** » Fri Oct 07, 2005 2:55 am

Sun_Wukong wrote:If you think about it, Goku wouldnt survive in today's world.

Take it from someone who's old enough to remember 20 years ago: the 80's were just as bad as today.

As far as Bulma, she's a valley girl, not a goth and they still have valley girls in the 00's even if they're not called or don't talk like valley girls anymore.

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