Dragonball Stuff You've Just Realized

[CatouttaHell]

Aside from the somewhat questionable logic in #17 coming back to life by the "bring all those killed by Cell back to life," has anyone ever considered what would happen to the inhabitants of those islands that Cell blew up in his search for #18? They'd come back to life at the bottom of the ocean (as their corpses have surely sunk after all this time) and quickly drown again or be killed through either water pressure or decompression as they scrambled to get to the surface. And on the off chance any of them made it to the surface, chances seem slim they'd find any available land nearby, and they'd drown too. Good going, guys.

I've thought about that before too. I guess Toriyama forgot about them.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Aside from the somewhat questionable logic in #17 coming back to life by the "bring all those killed by Cell back to life," has anyone ever considered what would happen to the inhabitants of those islands that Cell blew up in his search for #18? They'd come back to life at the bottom of the ocean (as their corpses have surely sunk after all this time) and quickly drown again or be killed through either water pressure or decompression as they scrambled to get to the surface. And on the off chance any of them made it to the surface, chances seem slim they'd find any available land nearby, and they'd drown too. Good going, guys.

I've thought about that before too. I guess Toriyama forgot about them.

Something else I just realized. The guy in the van that Vegeta destroyed during his battle with #18, as well as the guys that #19 and #20 killed, weren't brought back either.

[kaialone]

When Boo tried to feed Bee chocolate Mr.Satan stops him and says that he should rather give him dog food.I always just thouhgt "yeah,chocolate is bad for dogs." but just recently I realized that this also was the chocolate that Mr.Satan poisoned earlier so of course he didnt want Bee to eat it.I cant believe it took me so long to notice that.

Also King Colds tail is pink.

[caejones]

Aside from the somewhat questionable logic in #17 coming back to life by the "bring all those killed by Cell back to life," has anyone ever considered what would happen to the inhabitants of those islands that Cell blew up in his search for #18? They'd come back to life at the bottom of the ocean (as their corpses have surely sunk after all this time) and quickly drown again or be killed through either water pressure or decompression as they scrambled to get to the surface. And on the off chance any of them made it to the surface, chances seem slim they'd find any available land nearby, and they'd drown too. Good going, guys.

I pretend Chaozu put his telekinesis to use and rescued some of them.

[Michsi]

Aside from the somewhat questionable logic in #17 coming back to life by the "bring all those killed by Cell back to life," has anyone ever considered what would happen to the inhabitants of those islands that Cell blew up in his search for #18? They'd come back to life at the bottom of the ocean (as their corpses have surely sunk after all this time) and quickly drown again or be killed through either water pressure or decompression as they scrambled to get to the surface. And on the off chance any of them made it to the surface, chances seem slim they'd find any available land nearby, and they'd drown too. Good going, guys.

What about those killed by Nappa? Don't think they were braught back either.

[dbgtFO]

What about those killed by Nappa? Don't think they were braught back either.

That is correct.

[Michsi]

The fusion between Kami and Piccolo was inevitable even without a super powerful threat. The fact that Kami considers the possibilty that his life span might naturally end when he senses his death a year ahead, means he was already with one foot in the grave. Piccolo was doomed to die very young otherwise.

[Kingdom Heartless]

What about those killed by Nappa? Don't think they were braught back either.

That is correct.

They may have.... it depends if Nappa had officially denounced himself as a "henchman" of Freeza.

[Adamant]

What about those killed by Nappa? Don't think they were braught back either.

That is correct.

They may have.... it depends if Nappa had officially denounced himself as a "henchman" of Freeza.

Yamucha and Tenshinhan stayed dead, and they were killed by Nappa, so Nappa deaths obviously didn't count.

[Rocketman]

Yamucha and Tenshinhan stayed dead, and they were killed by Nappa, so Nappa deaths obviously didn't count.

Tien killed himself, and Yamcha was killed by a Saibaman.

[Adamant]

Yamucha and Tenshinhan stayed dead, and they were killed by Nappa, so Nappa deaths obviously didn't count.

Tenshinhan killed himself, and Yamcha was killed by a Saibaman.

True with Tenshinhan, yeah, but if Nappa was "one of Freeza's men" at the time, surely a Saibaiman under his control would also count as one?

[Gaffer Tape]

Well, I dunno. Strictly speaking, would that count? I mean, maybe Yamucha. He wasn't killed by Nappa or Vegeta, but he was killed under their orders. But Tenshinhan (and Chaozu, for that matter) very clearly killed himself while trying to kill Nappa. If I fell off a ladder while trying to kill a roach on my ceiling, can I really say with a straight face that the roach is responsible for my death? Of course not. I'd be dead. I wouldn't be able to say anything! (EDIT: Damnit. Rocketman and Adamant already had this conversation while I was typing this post.)

Anyway, here's something I just realized. There are two instances in the series where a bunch of similar-looking henchman are created to take out a group of our heroes. Of course I am referring to the Saibaimen and the Cell Juniors. In the former case, six were made for six heroes: Yamucha, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Chaozu, Piccolo, and Gohan. In the latter case, seven were created for seven heroes: Yamucha, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, Piccolo, Trunks, Vegeta, and Goku. Gohan was there and active for the latter as well, but since the Cell Juniors weren't created with him in mind, I'm not counting him. And Vegeta was present for the former, but, obviously that doesn't count either. So of the two encounters, the only characters present for the Saibaimen fight who return for the Cell Juniors fight are Yamucha, Kuririn, Tenshinhan, and Piccolo. Interestingly enough, aside from being the only members of the Saibaimen fight who are pitted against Cell Juniors, they also happen to be the only four from the Saibaimen fight who ended up directly fighting any Saibaimen, as neither Chaozu nor Gohan ended up really participating. So, yeah, I thought that was an interesting coincidence and only just thought of it last night.

[Michsi]

Yamucha and Tenshinhan stayed dead, and they were killed by Nappa, so Nappa deaths obviously didn't count.

Tenshinhan killed himself, and Yamcha was killed by a Saibaman.

The Great Elder was also killed "indirectly" but he came back to life.
These two examples sorta cancel eatchother out


Another thing I realized: People often mention how overpowered Goku became in DBZ (portion of the story). However:

Dragon Ball
- defeats greatest assasin of the world on his own
- defeats most powerful army on his own
- defeats Piccolo Daimao on his own
- defeats Piccolo Jr. all on his own
(and a whole bunch of other smaller villans)

Dragon Ball Z
- can't defeat Radditz on his own and dies while trying
- doesn't defeat Vegeta
- doesn't defeat Ginyu on his own (?)
- doesn't defeat Frieza on his own (would've died had Piccolo, Krillin and Gohan not been there)
- doesn't defeat 19
- doesn't defeat Cell
- doesn't defeat Cell Jr.
- doesn't defeat Vegeta again
- doesn't defeat Buu on his own
Now, there are some fights on that list that might seem unfair, like Goku vs. 19, because he lost due to the disease, Goku vs. Cell Jr. , because he was injured here , Goku vs. Majin Vegeta (all he would've won had he had access/used his full power) but I though it's right to mention them. This basically means that the only characters he successfully defeated on his own are Nappa, Reecome, Burter and that light eating monster from Babidi's ship. Funny when you think about Goku's about reputation in the fandome,as being the only one who ever usefull.
If I think about it, even though the power gap between thim and everybody else is greater than it was in DB, he doesn't win one major fight without help.

EDIT: I just remembered that Ten also helps Goku during the fight against Daimao by flying him to safety, so I guess that doesn't count anymore.....

[Kiyza]

Yes, he certainly receives a lot more help during latter portions of the series, but I don't think it's necessarily that that bothers people. It's the fact that, to put it bluntly, he's pretty much always the hero. In the end, he's the one who's most responsible for saving the day and happens to be the strongest character most of the time. Now, personally, I don't think this is a bad thing because, well, he is the hero. He just gets a little less of the spotlight during Z.

[Michsi]

That's true, I never understood why people complained about Goku being the hero when Dragon Ball was all about Goku being the hero.

But I was mostly referring to his reputation as "no one but Goku can do it" . Sure he might win the fight, but the fact that he receives help almost everytime shows that he is not that "untouchable". It's ironical how he depended on the help of others when he became much more stronger than he did when he wasn't hundred times above the rest.

[Kid Buu]

That's true, I never understood why people complained about Goku being the hero when Dragon Ball was all about Goku being the hero.

But I was mostly referring to his reputation as "no one but Goku can do it" . Sure he might win the fight, but the fact that he receives help almost everytime shows that he is not that "untouchable". It's ironical how he depended on the help of others when he became much more stronger than he did when he wasn't hundred times above the rest.

Yeah, I always felt that DBZ actually gave the non-Goku characters more time to shine then DB. Piccolo and Vegeta actually surpass Goku in DBZ, where as in DB I don't remember anyone catching up to Goku.

[ThunderPX]

I think Dragon Ball at the very least gives the illusion that everyone is less behind Goku than in Z, mostly thanks to the Tenkaichi Budokai. Characters get a chance to show that they can actually win fights, or at least hold their own for a little while before a ring out or surrender happens.
And a couple of other times it seems like other characters might've been able to do stuff, but they weren't around (apart from General Blue and Taopaipai, I'd like to think Kuririn and perhaps even Yamcha could've taken on the Red Ribbon Army.)
But on the whole, yeah, the original DB doesn't exactly take the credit away from Goku. In fact, the Piccolo Daimao arc might be the most ridiculous example of "Goku randomly powers up and clobbers the enemy while anyone else who tries to help out suddenly becomes completely useless."

[Kingdom Heartless]

I always have a problem with the Goku haters who complain about that stuff. Considering he's the main character, I think a lot of times the other characters get good story and development.

[SylentEcho]

I think he was actually referring to this:

Hey, post that image again. I need to see the Ginyu pose that looks like the symbol.

I've just realized the English VA for Piccolo and Zoro is Chris Sabat! and the two characters always been coupled on merchandises and commercials!

You just realised that? It's pretty damn obvious that Zoro is played by Mr. Sabat in the FUNimation One Piece dub.

Yeah, Sabat has just one voice. He's not even a voice actor.

But does it make him...

Strong Bad?

*insert hilarious image of Reacoom with Strong Bad's head*

HAHa! Is that a reference to the nes game:

[Gaffer Tape]

As for the complaints of Goku being too powerful in Z, here's my take on what they might be complaining about. Yes, in the earlier parts, Goku is pretty much the focus, while in the later portions, the other characters get to do more on their own, but that could be part of the "problem." Like ThunderPX just said, in the earlier parts, the main fighting characters were at least on similar ground. But later on it got to the point that Goku had to be less involved in the story in order to ratchet up the drama because only Goku could defeat this threat. Only Goku could save everybody. If Goku was around, the plot would resolve itself immediately. So, yeah, while Goku was made to get out of the way in increasingly contrived ways (and twice in the Freeza arc!), I could see how people would believe that it only served to make him seem even more important and untouchable. Just throwing that possibility out there.