16:9 vs 4:3

[gokufss]

How do you crop the movies?

[gokufss]

Plz tell me how to crop movies?

[TripleRach]

gokufss, you don't need to post three times in a row, especially when only a few minutes have passed. You can edit your posts to add in more questions. People will respond to your questions when they have the answer, but it could take hours or even days. Just be patient. And you may want to read over the forum rules.

[Gaffer Tape]

While 16:9 is the official aspect ratio for HDTVs and modern HD broadcasts, one isn't at all dependent on or necessary for the other, as they actually refer to two completely different things. The former is simply the shape of the screen. The latter refers to the amount of detail present in an image.

As for how to crop movies... well, that's as simple as zooming the image in enough so that it becomes the size you want it to be. I'm not sure why you would ever, ever, ever want to purposely let yourself see less image than you're supposed to (unless you're referring specifically to the 4:3 release of the Dragon Ball movies, but that's a bit more complicated). The only reason I could think of is if you're doing some sort of edit or music video or what have you where you need to edit together footage from different sources and really want them all to fit consistently into the same frame size.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

The show was originally produced in 4:3. Period. Trying to retrofit its aspect ratio to meet today's standards by cropping to it 16:9 is a violation of the original artistic integrity of the show, just as FUNi's Orange Brick DBZ sets were. Not only are you not getting more picture by cropping 4:3 footage into 16:9 (overall you're getting less, actually), the bit of footage that you do gain on the sides is footage that you were never intended to see in the first place. If it were not for Japan's TV broadcast standards, I have no doubt that Kai would have aired in 4:3 (and the fact that the Blu-Rays were released in 4:3, despite being the HD versions, seems to be proof of that).

16:9 is the new standard for any show made in the last several years, and anything made from here on in. However, old shows and (very) old movies were done in 4:3. That's just something you have to accept.

[Gaffer Tape]

Not only are you not getting more picture by cropping 4:3 footage into 16:9

And obviously the answer is right there. Cropping means to cut, to remove, to prune. That's the exact opposite of to gain, to add, to expand. You can't crop anything to get more of anything ever. To think otherwise would just be in defiance of common sense. So obviously you're not going to get any more picture if you crop film.

[Dark Vegeta-Sama]

Not only are you not getting more picture by cropping 4:3 footage into 16:9

And obviously the answer is right there. Cropping means to cut, to remove, to prune. That's the exact opposite of to gain, to add, to expand. You can't crop anything to get more of anything ever. To think otherwise would just be in defiance of common sense. So obviously you're not going to get any more picture if you crop film.

Nitpicking my post doesn't really do anything to advance the conversation, but thanks anyway for clarifying that for anyone who wasn't sure what the word means.

At any rate, it's funny that people think that you actually do get more picture with a cropped 16:9 version of DBZ. There was a lot of that sort of denial going around when FUNi's orange brick sets were coming out, and it was always baffling. Hopefully the poster who started this thread has learned something from all this, anyway.

[Gaffer Tape]

Nitpicking my post doesn't really do anything to advance the conversation, but thanks anyway.

Who's nitpicking? I agreed with your post, so I was expanding on it to help clarify for the creator of this topic.

[Budogenkai]

So, are the Kai Blu-Rays are 16:9 or 4:3?

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

So, are the Kai Blu-Rays are 16:9 or 4:3?

4:3.

[Budogenkai]

So, are the Kai Blu-Rays are 16:9 or 4:3?

4:3.

And the DVD's are the same?

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

And the DVD's are the same?

Japan's releases: No

FUNi's releases: Yes

[Budogenkai]

And the DVD's are the same?

Japan's releases: No

FUNi's releases: Yes

That's weird..so does it look better on the FUNi Blu-Rays or the DVD's? I personally like the 16:9 widescreen look, but only when it has the black bars, and if nothing is cropped. Is there any comparison shots between the two?

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

That's weird..so does it look better on the FUNi Blu-Rays or the DVD's?

Blu-ray, I imagine, but I've heard comments about the DVDs not looking too different.

However, I haven't purchased Kai at all, so I can't say for sure.

I personally like the 16:9 widescreen look, but only when it has the black bars, and if nothing is cropped.

The only Dragon Ball anime content in widescreen without cropping are the Jump Super Anime Tour special, the Gaiden remake on Raging Blast 2, and certain redrawn scenes in DB Kai.

Is there any comparison shots between the two?

There's this from The Fanboy Review...

[ohaimynameiserik]

And the DVD's are the same?

Japan's releases: No

FUNi's releases: Yes

That's weird..so does it look better on the FUNi Blu-Rays or the DVD's? I personally like the 16:9 widescreen look, but only when it has the black bars, and if nothing is cropped. Is there any comparison shots between the two?

If you're watching any Dragon Ball other than the new Jump Special or the OVA remake on Raging blast 2 and it's in 16:9, it is either cropped or stretched.

EDIT: AGH why am I always just barely beaten to these things?!

[Budogenkai]

So FUNi's DVD's are widescreen (have black bars?), and appear to have better lighting with the colors.

What in the hell..seems to me the DVD's are better.

[jpdbzrulz4sure]

So FUNi's DVD's are widescreen (have black bars), and appear to have better lighting with the colors.

What in the hell..

No no no, the comparison notes in the lower right don't count the top image, just the lower ones. The cropped image on top is from the Japanese DVD.

[Budogenkai]

So FUNi's DVD's are widescreen (have black bars), and appear to have better lighting with the colors.

What in the hell..

No no no, the comparison notes in the lower right don't count the top image, just the lower ones. The cropped image on top is from the Japanese DVD.

Oooh got it.

And the Blu-Rays probably look better in motion compared to screenshots. I was about to change my order I made on the Blu-Rays haha.

[kei17]

And obviously the answer is right there. Cropping means to cut, to remove, to prune. That's the exact opposite of to gain, to add, to expand. You can't crop anything to get more of anything ever. To think otherwise would just be in defiance of common sense. So obviously you're not going to get any more picture if you crop film.

Film reels have slightly more picture on the sides than the exact 4:3 format, so you can actually gain more picture horizontally by cropping. For example, the blu-ray release of lain has the European-widescreen-like-aspect-ratio footage to show the full picture. However, there are many painting errors in such "more" picture on the sides because it is generally not meant to be seen though.

[Gaffer Tape]

But that's not because of the cropping. That's the antithesis of cropping. The only reason these newer releases have extra image on the side is because they've been rescanned for that format. If I were to, say, take the image from the Dragon Boxes and crop them into 16:9, I certainly wouldn't magically gain any of the extra footage on the sides that the orange bricks have because that's not what cropping does.

It's the old logical fallacy of assuming that correlation equals causality. Just like people when people see that their HDTVs are in widescreen, they believe that widescreen=HD, I've encountered a lot of people who seem to think that because these new, cropped widescreen products have extra image on the sides, that cropping=extra 5%, when that's not the case at all.