Which signature abilities could be learned by other fighters

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Which signature abilities could be learned by other fighters

Post by Kroni_Hunter » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:00 pm

It is hard to tell sometimes which abilities are actual abilities of a species and which can be learned by anyone. The ones I wonder the most about are
Oolong's/Puar's shape shifting,
Ginyu's body swap,
Goku's Shunkan ido, Kaioken, and Genki Dama,
Chaozu's telekinetic abilities,

Now obviously, moves like Buu's candy transformation, Piccolo's regeneration and probably Akkuman's Kousen are unique to their species. There's many other examples of these kinds of traits (Toninjinka's carrot attack, Yakon's light absorption, etc) But the ones above are not so clear.

Also, if Vegetto somehow was able to perform shape shifting, do you think it could have been used after he was a jaw breaker?
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Post by Herms » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:08 pm

Oolong and Puar are said in the series to have learned their shape-shifting abilities at the Southern Shape-Shifting Kindergarten.

Goku learned to teleport from the people of Planet Yardrat. He learned the Kaio-ken and Genki-Dama from Kaio, who had thought them up but never been talented enough to master them himself.
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Re: Which signature abilities could be learned by other figh

Post by Michsi » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:14 pm

The Kaioken could definetly be learned by other characters. If you ask me, this technique could have easily been given to the non-saiyans. To Piccolo at the very least, since his regeneration could counter some of the damage it mght cause.

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Post by Rocketman » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:19 pm

Michsi wrote:The Kaioken could definetly be learned by other characters. If you ask me, this technique could have easily been given to the non-saiyans. To Piccolo at the very least, since his regeneration could counter some of the damage it mght cause.
Piccolo was only there for six days.

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Post by Michsi » Sun Apr 10, 2011 1:37 pm

Rocketman wrote: Piccolo was only there for six days.
I know that, I'm talking about the idea in general. He could have learned it at some point, from Goku, taught it himself after observing it, all kinds of scenarios come to mind. It seems strange to me that Yamcha and Tenshinhan don't learn it. We could explain it with them not being able to master it, not displaying enough talent for it, King Kai played favorites or whatever. But it was chance for them to reduce the gap between them and the SSJ s somewhat.

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Post by Bussani » Sun Apr 10, 2011 6:50 pm

Since Ginyu can do his body swapping trick no matter which body he's in, it's hard to imagine that it'd be some kind of inherited ability his species has. Unless he transfers part of his genetic makeup into the new body as well...?
Kroni_Hunter wrote:Now obviously, moves like Buu's candy transformation, Piccolo's regeneration and probably Akkuman's Kousen are unique to their species.
I always thought of Buu's transformation power as being some kind of inbuilt magic. I wouldn't be surprised if a sorcerer could learn it. By the way, it doesn't just turn people into candy; he also used it to turn one guy into milk and a bunch of locals into clay to make his house.
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Post by Fox666 » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:05 pm

You should even consider the possiblity that Boo don't have any technique, he only copy/absorb them. He could have inherit the candy beam from Dai Kaioshin.

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Re: Which signature abilities could be learned by other figh

Post by mysticboy » Sun Apr 10, 2011 7:56 pm

Kroni_Hunter wrote:It is hard to tell sometimes which abilities are actual abilities of a species and which can be learned by anyone. The ones I wonder the most about are
Oolong's/Puar's shape shifting,
Ginyu's body swap,
Goku's Shunkan ido, Kaioken, and Genki Dama,
Chaozu's telekinetic abilities,

Now obviously, moves like Buu's candy transformation, Piccolo's regeneration and probably Akkuman's Kousen are unique to their species. There's many other examples of these kinds of traits (Toninjinka's carrot attack, Yakon's light absorption, etc) But the ones above are not so clear.

Also, if Vegetto somehow was able to perform shape shifting, do you think it could have been used after he was a jaw breaker?
Freeza has telekinesis also.

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Post by kaialone » Mon Apr 11, 2011 1:22 pm

Babidi´s spell he uses to control the evil in peoples mind
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Re: Which signature abilities could be learned by other figh

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:10 pm

Michsi wrote:We could explain it with them not being able to master it, not displaying enough talent for it, King Kai played favorites or whatever. But it was chance for them to reduce the gap between them and the SSJ s somewhat.
Them not being able to master it is the best in-universe explanation for why they apparently couldn't use the Kaio-ken or Genki-Dama, IMO. Not even Kaio himself could master it. I don't think he played favourites or anything like that either, because there was no reason for him to, so I think Goku remained the only one who could master the Kaio-ken and probably the Genki-Dama. I made a post about this a while ago, but I can't remember everything I said.
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Re: Which signature abilities could be learned by other figh

Post by Malek86 » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:29 pm

Michsi wrote:
Rocketman wrote: Piccolo was only there for six days.
I know that, I'm talking about the idea in general. He could have learned it at some point, from Goku, taught it himself after observing it, all kinds of scenarios come to mind. It seems strange to me that Yamcha and Tenshinhan don't learn it. We could explain it with them not being able to master it, not displaying enough talent for it, King Kai played favorites or whatever. But it was chance for them to reduce the gap between them and the SSJ s somewhat.
It's very out there, but maybe in the Androids saga the humans are actually using Kaioken although we don't see it (like Goku 10x vs Freezer), but it's just not enough to keep up with the new enemies regardless. And if we want to go even further, maybe it's why Tenshinhan was able to hold off Semi-perfect Cell.
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Re: Which signature abilities could be learned by other figh

Post by Piccolo Daimao » Mon Apr 11, 2011 4:40 pm

Malek86 wrote:
Michsi wrote:
Rocketman wrote: Piccolo was only there for six days.
I know that, I'm talking about the idea in general. He could have learned it at some point, from Goku, taught it himself after observing it, all kinds of scenarios come to mind. It seems strange to me that Yamcha and Tenshinhan don't learn it. We could explain it with them not being able to master it, not displaying enough talent for it, King Kai played favorites or whatever. But it was chance for them to reduce the gap between them and the SSJ s somewhat.
It's very out there, but maybe in the Androids saga the humans are actually using Kaioken although we don't see it (like Goku 10x vs Freezer), but it's just not enough to keep up with the new enemies regardless. And if we want to go even further, maybe it's why Tenshinhan was able to hold off Semi-perfect Cell.
No. Just no.

We did see Goku using Kaio-ken x10. I really, really hope this isn't the "invisible Kaio-ken x10" bullshit that was and may still be going around.

And there is a theory floating around that the whole thing about Tenshinhan saying he was going to learn the essentials of the technique and twist it or whatever...that was incorporated into the Shin Kikoho. I don't know what my opinion on that is, but I do know that the Shin Kikoho was basically a super-powerful Kikoho that Tenshinhan had learned to fire in quick succession without as much harm to his ki as before. And it's not as if the Kikoho wasn't always a humungous boost to the user's power. Tenshinhan, who was injured and had his arm punched off, could still generate enough power in his Kikoho for Piccolo to say that Nappa was a "monster" and "immortal" for surviving it.
Chapter: Chapter 218(DBZ 24) P 14.3
Context: after Nappa isn’t injured by Tenshinhan’s Kikoho
Piccolo: “He-he’s a damn monster…”

Chapter: Chapter 219(DBZ 25) P 1.2
Context: still after Nappa isn’t hurt by the Kikoho
Piccolo: “It…it can’t be…Is h-he immortal…!?”
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