Why Censor DBKai the Way Nick Toons Did?

[TheGreatness25]

While casually skipping through channels, one day I decided to leave it on Nick Toons as they were showing Fairly Odd Parents, and at 2 in the morning (or whenever it was), that was the only thing on that's tolerable. And in one episode, they used the word "kill" or "die" at least a few times. Then, I noticed on Spongebob he said, "Then I thought I was dead, but wasn't..." and it got me thinking... I understand them censoring "damn" and "hell" (though I have heard it on Nick cartoons before I could almost swear it). I can understand censoring the blood (though it doesn't stop them from showing puss and eye crust and whatnot on shows like Spongebob and Zim and Odd Parents), and I understand middle fingers... But why did DBKai get censored to the extreme that they'd water it down more than their other shows on the same program?

[gmster]

1. To sell the uncut releases.

2. Because it also has to air on 4kids

[TheGreatness25]

But either way they'd sell the uncut product because of the same way Z sold even though it ran pretty much uncut on Toonami and because of Blu-ray quality. And I don't think they thought they'd put it on 4Kids at the time. Besides, blue Popo hints that they had to censor some more things when putting it on 4Kids, so they could have left it more untouched for Nick Toons.

[gmster]

It costs money and time to edit. They only want to edit it once, so they try to water it down enough so it can air on CW and Nicktoons without having to edit it twice. But, this rarely works as the anal censors at the CW always find something wrong. That's my view.

[theoriginalbilis]

I still find it rather amusing that the edited versions of the Kai dub are still truer to the original than the uncut Z dub.

[Budogenkai]

I still find it rather amusing that the edited versions of the Kai dub are still truer to the original than the uncut Z dub.

You mean the dub dialogue?

[Ashura]

This is going to sound silly, but it's mainly because people actually die and come back to life in Kai. Kai is also a much more serious show, and generally speaking in a cartoon like Fairly Oddparents or Spongebob there's no real threat of anyone actually dying, let alone having people die and come back to life repeatedly.

It's more accurate to compare Kai to, say, Avatar the Last Airbender. That show had a few references to death, but on the most part it skirted around talking about it specifically and just implied things like the edited Kai (they couldn't actually say a certain character was killed in the episode he died in, and then later on they made fun of it in the play episode.) DB Kai has people threatening to kill people and dying left and right.

Remember that context has to do a lot with things, combined with how often things are said. I know a lot of people wonder things like 'why did they censor that punch to the face when he just punched someone to the face 2 seconds ago?' when it's a matter of amount. They could be okay with showing something a little bit, but maybe not repeatedly. It's almost like how you can drop the f-bomb once in a PG-13 movie, but twice it automatically becomes an R. I imagine if DB didn't have people dying and coming back to life ad nauseam that they would be able to mention it more.

There's also the fact that a lot of these shows you mention are older, especially Zim. If the episodes you saw were old-old, the standards policies at the network may have changed since they were created.

Honestly, you should look at it from the perspective that Nick's allowed the show to do everything but outright say these people are dying and coming back to life. They could have easily told them to come up with a 'next dimension' explanation that alluded to other world being something other than death, and they haven't. They've left it up to the viewers, and any smart kid will be able to figure out what's happening.

[theoriginalbilis]

I still find it rather amusing that the edited versions of the Kai dub are still truer to the original than the uncut Z dub.

You mean the dub dialogue?

Exactly. I actually like the Ocean/FUNi dubs of Z, but leaving in a few seconds of violence isn't worth some of the horrible jokes and all those "darn you"s and "next dimension"s that we got.

[bkev]

I think it has to do with Ocean Productions' involvement. Remember that when they did their in-house dub of Z, they had a number of extra edits too (ie "Fry Cell!" instead of"Die Cell!") I think Ocean is going the "better safe than sorry" route, but if someone more in the know wishes to correct me please step up.

[Cipher]

*snip*

This is one of the most reasonable, intelligent posts about the on-air censorship I've seen.

[Ashura]

This is one of the most reasonable, intelligent posts about the on-air censorship I've seen.

Thanks, I appreciate the kudos. I've been around the block a couple times when talking about this stuff.

[The Time Traveller]

Weren't Ocean responsible for on screen edits and Funi for the dub edits?

[kemuri07]

I still find it rather amusing that the edited versions of the Kai dub are still truer to the original than the uncut Z dub.

You mean the dub dialogue?

Exactly. I actually like the Ocean/FUNi dubs of Z, but leaving in a few seconds of violence isn't worth some of the horrible jokes and all those "darn you"s and "next dimension"s that we got.

Well keep in mind that at the time, the script was being created for little kids. I have the third season Orange Box and I can't tell you how often I cringed at the bad dialogue (Freeza asking Vegeta to count down to his first transformation made me want to vomit rage). It really makes you appreciate the changes made in Kai.

Also, how could I forget this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR44oOYjvOw