Should Toei think Twice before changing the BGM?

Choice195 · Post by **Choice195** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:36 pm

Do you guys think it's really necessary for Toei to change the BGM in Kai, In my honest opinion they should have just changed the BGM during the parts when the stolen pieces are played not just completely change the entire BGM for the remaining parts of the series.

Savage68 · Post by **Savage68** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:39 pm

There would be quite a jarring change between the two BGMs popping up interchangeably.

... it'd probably be almost as jarring as the transitions between the original art and those redrawn scenes.

DragonBoxZTheMovies · Post by **DragonBoxZTheMovies** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:46 pm

They could've replaced the copyright infringing pieces with already existing pieces of Kai music, for example, 'Ebb and Flow' could be replaced with 'One Hit To Victory' or 'The Fierce Battle'.

Choice195 · Post by **Choice195** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:49 pm

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:They could've replaced the copyright infringing pieces with already existing pieces of Kai music, for example, 'Ebb and Flow' could be replaced with 'One Hit To Victory' or 'The Fierce Battle'.

That's the exact same thing I was thinking of, The old Kikuchi score does not fit in with Kai at all, The HD quality doesn't fit with the old Audio.

jpdbzrulz4sure · Post by **jpdbzrulz4sure** » Fri Apr 22, 2011 11:50 pm

The problem is that, for all they know, the whole score (excluding the theme song variations) could be plagiarized, so Toei can't use any of it without potential lawsuits to worry about.

Paradox295 · Post by **Paradox295** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 7:44 am

They have to change all of it. Otherwise they still have to keep paying him royalties.

Dark Vegeta-Sama · Post by **Dark Vegeta-Sama** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:55 am

Of course they should think twice, but no one ever does when they're in panic mode.

Eire · Post by **Eire** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 9:36 am

Exchanging BGM was a prevention. Once some pieces of music were suspected they didn't want to wait for next sues, but just remove it once for all.

TonyTheTiger · Post by **TonyTheTiger** » Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:53 pm

If they set out to only use non-infringing pieces we'd have just one song playing over and over.

I'm not exactly happy the switchover happened but let's call a spade a spade. Using anything from Yamamoto is a huge liability. Can't blame Toei for how they handled it. I'd have done the same thing.

TheGreatness25 · Post by **TheGreatness25** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 4:53 pm

Why not change the parts with the stolen music and replace it with... the non-stolen music that was produced for Kai? So it won't be a crazy change.

But this is hypothetically only for a release, right? Since Kai is canceled.

JulieYBM · Post by **JulieYBM** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 5:18 pm

They don't know what is or is not stolen, though.

Choice195 · Post by **Choice195** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:17 pm

But there wasn't much plagiarized in Kai was there? I can only think of 2 BGM's, "The Ebb and the Flow" and "A New Foe Rears His Head"

linkdude20002001 · Post by **linkdude20002001** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 6:49 pm

There were more, but I think that only songs from the Android arc were plagiarized...

DragonBoxZTheMovies · Post by **DragonBoxZTheMovies** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 8:53 pm

linkdude20002001 wrote:There were more, but I think that only songs from the Android arc were plagiarized...

There's a few from the 'Saiyan Arc' such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veuJ91u3HB8
I'm no expert on 'Star Wars', but it sounds awfully similar to a few pieces I've heard in the movies and games.

Choice195 · Post by **Choice195** » Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:53 pm

DragonBoxZTheMovies wrote:
linkdude20002001 wrote:There were more, but I think that only songs from the Android arc were plagiarized...
There's a few from the 'Saiyan Arc' such as this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=veuJ91u3HB8
I'm no expert on 'Star Wars', but it sounds awfully similar to a few pieces I've heard in the movies and games.

You right, They both sound really similar. Why'd ya' do it Yamamoto!

GotenDaisuki · Post by **GotenDaisuki** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 12:43 am

Also, I think switching plagiarized songs with Kikuchi's score and leaving in unplagiarized songs would be more work for Toei, instead of just totally replacing it. If they were to change by plagiarized or not, they would have to do a lot of research and look over each track on each episode and that would be a lot of work. Toei wanted to apply the BGM change as quickly as possible.

TheBlackPaladin · Post by **TheBlackPaladin** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:40 am

GotenDaisuki wrote:Also, I think switching plagiarized songs with Kikuchi's score and leaving in unplagiarized songs would be more work for Toei, instead of just totally replacing it. If they were to change by plagiarized or not, they would have to do a lot of research and look over each track on each episode and that would be a lot of work. Toei wanted to apply the BGM change as quickly as possible.

Exactly. As much as it sucks that they hastily re-inserted the Kikuchi score, that's really the only option they had in the very short time that they had to react to the scandal. Quite frankly, I think Kikuchi's music could still work for Kai, it's just that the editor is not doing a particularly good job of chosing the proper music for certain scenes. It totally has that feeling of...

"......Wait..........our current music can't work because it's......plagiarized.....?..................CRAPCRAPCRAPCRAPCRAP, okay um, this Kikuchi song will go here, this one will go here, okay this one kinda fits here, okay, moving on--!"

GotenDaisuki · Post by **GotenDaisuki** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 11:56 am

Indeed, but as hastily as it was applied, Nagasaki did choose some good songs to use for some scenes... But at the same time, he chose unfitting ones that don't feel so fresh and natural for that scene as well.

Choice195 · Post by **Choice195** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 3:47 pm

It'd be cool if Toei didn't fire Yamamoto and made him re-compose original BGM replacing the BGM's that were plagiarized.

GotenDaisuki · Post by **GotenDaisuki** » Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:36 pm

Choice195 wrote:It'd be cool if Toei didn't fire Yamamoto and made him re-compose original BGM replacing the BGM's that were plagiarized.

Yes, that would be cool, but with only two more episodes to air? I don't think Toei would want to spend more of their money on stuff like that.

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