Nappa vs Guldo

[Kirby456]

Recently i found this awesome video on youtube made by Venom9808 check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gdFzqusWliw it pictures the fight between Nappa and Guldo perfectly.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

I think Nappa is the more powerful of the two, but if Gurd uses the full-extent of his abilities, he would win here. Gohan and Krillin were both stronger than Nappa and they nearly lost to Gurd when he used his Telekinesis ability.

[Kirby456]

I think Nappa is the more powerful of the two, but if Gurd uses the full-extent of his abilities, he would win here. Gohan and Krillin were both stronger than Nappa and they nearly lost to Gurd when he used his Telekinesis ability.

that sounds good,i cani't really find enything to disagree with.

[CatouttaHell]

Gurudo takes this. He would've beaten Kuririn and Son Gohan if Vegeta hadn't stepped in and they were both 2x as strong as Nappa, there were two of them, they could sense Ki, and they were infinitely smarter than Nappa. I don't even think Nappa and Gurudo are that far apart in power in the first place to be honest. There's nothing Nappa can really do here.

[Kirby456]

Gurudo takes this. He would've beaten Kuririn and Son Gohan if Vegeta hadn't stepped in and they were both 2x as strong as Nappa, there were two of them, they could sense Ki, and they were infinitely smarter than Nappa. I don't even think Nappa and Gurudo are that far apart in power in the first place to be honest. There's nothing Nappa can really do here.

i dont think so Guldo seems around 2000 he ran away in fear when Gohan and Krillin attacked him.

[Fox666]

Guldo might not have a battle power like the other members of Ginyu Tokusentai, however he still got something.

Chapter: 272 (DBZ 78), P9.5
Context: Ginyu’s scouter picked up Vegeta, Gohan and Kuririn.
Ginyu: “But who are the two with him? It seems that they have considerably high battle powers…”

Ginyu seems to recognize Gohan and Kuririn battle powers, still these are their supressed forms. And it seems that Kuririn and Gohan battle powers only became a problem after they powered-up before fighting Guldo.

I don't want to start a fan-made battle powers thread, but for me the scene involving Kuririn and Gohan power-up suggests that Guldo should be somewhat around 10,000. Heck, the guy still is fast enough to follow the other Ginyu Tokusentai members.


So yeah, I don't only think with his special abilities he can take one guy at the level of Vegeta, but with pure battle power he also can defeat Nappa. In other words, Nappa's chance of winning are zero.

[SuperForteX]

Wasn't Nappa stronger than that though? He fought evenly with Goku, he had to have been in the upper seven thousands or low eight thousands. Both Goku and Vegeta independantly recognized that the fight between Goku and Nappa would "take all day".

[Hellspawn28]

Guldo would likely win due to this time stop, without then he might lose. Unlike the other Ginyu force members, Guldo never seem to be a major fighter or have any type of raw power.

[rereboy]

Gurudo takes this. He would've beaten Kuririn and Son Gohan if Vegeta hadn't stepped in and they were both 2x as strong as Nappa, there were two of them, they could sense Ki, and they were infinitely smarter than Nappa. I don't even think Nappa and Gurudo are that far apart in power in the first place to be honest. There's nothing Nappa can really do here.

i dont think so Guldo seems around 2000 he ran away in fear when Gohan and Krillin attacked him.

Son Gohan, by that time, was pretty much as strong as Vegeta was on Earth (18000).

Of course Guldo was afraid and so would Nappa.

However, despite the fact that Gohan had that power and the fact that even Krillin was also much stronger than Nappa by that point, Guldo would have defeated them both if Vegeta didn't interfere.

So, its clear that Guldo would destroy Nappa.

[SuperForteX]

So, its clear that Guldo would destroy Nappa.

In the end I have to agree. He's on the Ginyu Force for crying out loud. Guldo died because Vegeta surprised him while he was caught up in the moment. Vegeta even stated that he couldn't have passed up the chance to take Guldo out. I think personally Guldo would have easily been a threat to Vegeta as well, were Guldo ready for him, and focusing on him. Hell, Guldo could probably have been a great threat to other members of the Ginyu Force as well.

He was accepted into Ginyu's Special Force on the virtue of his special abilites alone. Even Krilin could recognize that Power Level-wise, he simply did not fit in with the rest of the force.

As such I expect those abilites of his are very potent and dangerous, and his early defeat in that battle was due to a tactical move by Vegeta.

Don't forget, Guldo knew of Vegeta's strength but had desperatly wanted to fight Vegeta anyway, even being the runner up in the Rock Paper Scissors game the force played to determine who got Vegeta.

I'd say due to Vegeta's desperation to take Guldo out as soon as the moment presented itself, I'd personally give the Recoome Fight Vegeta vs Guldo fight to Guldo 6 out of 10 times.

[CatouttaHell]

i dont think so Guldo seems around 2000 he ran away in fear when Gohan and Krillin attacked him.

Kuririn and Son Gohan were both around 18,000 or so. Yet Gurudo defeated them both at once and they only lived because Vegeta attacked Gurudo while he wasn't looking.

Nappa is probably at 7,000 AND he's lacking the advantages Kuririn and Son Gohan have such as being able to sense Ki, not being idiots, etc. He has no chance here.

[Fox666]

i dont think so Guldo seems around 2000 he ran away in fear when Gohan and Krillin attacked him.

Kuririn and Son Gohan were both around 18,000 or so. Yet Gurudo defeated them both at once and they only lived because Vegeta attacked Gurudo while he wasn't looking.

Nappa is probably at 7,000 AND he's lacking the advantages Kuririn and Son Gohan have such as being able to sense Ki, not being idiots, etc. He has no chance here.

Kuririn and Gohan could keep up with Reecome, and Reecome powerlevel was 74,000

Not to mention they fought equally with Ginyu-Goku, whom at the time the powerlevel already risen to 48,000

[CatouttaHell]

Reecome powerlevel was 74,000

How'd you come to that conclusion? (No offence, I'm just curious.)

[Kirby456]

Reecome powerlevel was 74,000

How'd you come to that conclusion? (No offence, I'm just curious.)

I believe Ginyu stated in order to defeat the Ginyu Force you must have a power level of 64,000 (or something),this indicates Reecome was under 64,000,maybe 45,000?.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Ginyu's initial estimation of Goku's Battle Power was 60,000 max.

So, I think the other Ginyu members would have to be less than that by a good margin.

[rereboy]

Kuririn and Gohan could keep up with Reecome, and Reecome powerlevel was 74,000

Not to mention they fought equally with Ginyu-Goku, whom at the time the powerlevel already risen to 48,000

This is not true. Jheese measured Ginyu-Goku's power at only 23000.

As for Reecome, I have no idea where you got that power level, but Ginyu believed Goku could have defeated all the Ginyu force with a power level of "just" 60000 something. So, Reecome couldn't have been 74000.

[Fox666]

At some point in the thread I got frustrated with the kind of guessing over battle powers which are already listed in the guides (especially Nappa). So I started a parody

[CatouttaHell]

Ah, I see. Nappa's power level is wrong though. It being 4,000 contradicts the manga AND the 3,500 level for Piccolo that came from the same source.

[Fox666]

How? They were never stated in the manga

[rereboy]

Piccolo was absolutely useless against Nappa. In fact, in the manga, Piccolo fainted with just one blow from Nappa.

But Nappa, once he focused, was actually able to fight somewhat evenly with Goku.

Goku was stated in the manga to have a power level of over 8000. So, if Nappa had a power level of 4000, he should have been more helpless against Goku than Piccolo was agaisnt him. So, logically, Nappa had to be stronger than 4000. Perhaps 5000 or 6000.