Kai for the original series

[Pokewhiz7]

Hey, I'm not sure if this should go in the Kai board or not. Basically, I was thinking about the concept of Kai: cutting out filler to make it closer to the manga. Basically I was thinking of doing the same for the original series. I'll probably cut little out of some episodes, and combine others together, depending on the amount of filler. I'm not at home during the weekends but when I go home I know I'll be using the first blue brick as the video source. I'll try to condense the Emperor Pilaf Saga into 7-10 episodes. Anybody have any suggestions? I don't have any volumes of the manga other than Viz's "Z" portion. I know though that in the manga, Emperor Pilaf doesn't appear until what is several episodes into the anime.

[obiwan23s]

Eh, it sounds like a bad idea to me because the music will be off in places. I'm not saying don't do it, just that it probably won't turn out as well as you think.

[SylentEcho]

This is a good idea actually. You never know until you try, so why not try doing a few episodes like that?

About the music going haywire, that actually isn't as big a problem as you think. A lot of people have done Z videos without filler in the past and they all turned out ok.

[Turtle Marked Stone]

I'm pretty confident music will be an obstacle unless you're using the 5.1 dub where you can separate audio and video. A lot of fan made "fillerless" battles suffer from this, made worse by them using the non stop Falcouner music. Of course that won't be an issue if you're just doing Dragon Ball

I don't really know how you're going to "Kai" the original series if you don't have the manga for a reference point. I'd say just cut out any superfluous crap you see manga be damned.

[KiddoCabbusses]

Isn't much of Dragonball (TOS)'s filler episodic or in small arcs, rather than "padded" into the show like a lot of Z's filler was? Or at least, that is what I recall hearing.
... oh, I guess there's also much of Pilaf's appearances in the show before his manga-canon introduction, as well.

[Gaffer Tape]

You might have a hard time doing the Piccolo Daimao arc. A lot of that is restructured or just plain rewritten, with a lot of filler extremely integrated into it. The restructuring might just require some re-ordering of scenes. But, for example, there's going to be almost no way to get the choshinsui in there without doing that ice cave stuff. Yamucha and the others get their information (and collect the bodies) from Tenshinhan much earlier. Then there's the whole mess with the denshi jar being damaged in the manga but not in the anime. I'd love to see how anybody could manage to bring that in line with the manga. By Dragon Ball standards, that arc is quite a loose adaptation.

[Adamant]

You can't cut Pilaf's first scene in the anime either, since a ton of Bulma lines from the manga were given to Mai here, explaining how the Dragonballs work.

[Pokewhiz7]

You might have a hard time doing the Piccolo Daimao arc. A lot of that is restructured or just plain rewritten, with a lot of filler extremely integrated into it. The restructuring might just require some re-ordering of scenes. But, for example, there's going to be almost no way to get the choshinsui in there without doing that ice cave stuff. Yamucha and the others get their information (and collect the bodies) from Tenshinhan much earlier. Then there's the whole mess with the denshi jar being damaged in the manga but not in the anime. I'd love to see how anybody could manage to bring that in line with the manga. By Dragon Ball standards, that arc is quite a loose adaptation.

I probably wouldn't be doing the entire series, just because it would take too long. At least in Dragon Ball, the music isn't playing completely nonstop, and even if I'm habing a lot of issues with it, I could just try and use the 5.1 dub and separate it, although I wiould have to buy on one of the CDs. I'll also more than likely buy a few manga volumes, just so I know what to get rid of.

You can't cut Pilaf's first scene in the anime either, since a ton of Bulma lines from the manga were given to Mai here, explaining how the Dragonballs work.

I can probably put a scene over that just so her line doesn't get cut off. Worst comes to worse, I'll just have to leave it in there, just like how in Kai they cut out that scene of Raditz flying.

[Adamant]

I can probably put a scene over that just so her line doesn't get cut off. Worst comes to worse, I'll just have to leave it in there, just like how in Kai they cut out that scene of Raditz flying.

It's not a line that gets cut off. In the manga, the scene goes like this:

Bulma: I'm searching for the Dragonballs.
Goku: Dragonballs?
Bulma: Yeah, they're these magic balls that summon a wish-granting dragon if you collect all 7.
Goku: Cool.

While in the anime, it goes like this:

Bulma: I'm searching for the Dragonballs.
Goku: Dragonballs?
-scene shift-
Pilaf: Ooh, I found a Dragonball. Hey, what do they do again?
Mai: They're these magic balls that summon a wish-granting dragon if you collect all 7.
-scene shift-
Bulma: And that's what they do.
Goku: Cool.

You can't cut that scene out without getting rid of the most important piece of dialogue in the entire episode.

[Pokewhiz7]

I guess I'll have to leave it in then. If something is important to the plot, I'll leave it in.

Now to something very important. I'm having quite a bit of issues with the DVD. I think this may be one of FUNimation's copy-protection schemes, but when I ripped the DVD, the audio is horribly out of sync and rand frames from seconds earlier sometimes appear. I know this isn't DVD Decrypter, because it's worked perfectly before with everything except FUNimation's DVDs. Does anybody know how to fix this?