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Re: Anime Filler Plot-holes/Inconcestencies

Post by Gaffer Tape » Wed Apr 27, 2011 12:38 pm

Turtle Marked Stone wrote:Goku’s space pod was way out on an island instead of by Mt.Pouzu.
Well, strictly speaking, since the name "Mt. Paozu" (as well as the idea that Goku built his adult home where his childhood home was) only exists in the anime, you could say that Goku's space pod has no business being there either. Unless you're including moments when the anime is inconsitent with itself. Eh. Either way you're right that Goku's space pod has no business being on the island where Piccolo was training Gohan. :P
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Re: Anime Filler Plot-holes/Inconcestencies

Post by KiddoCabbusses » Wed Apr 27, 2011 1:04 pm

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-Bardock is seemingly able to breathe in space when confronting Freeza in the Lonely Warrior special.
As are Vegeta and Nappa as they destroy the bug planet in episode 11. Go figure.
REALLY DUMB LULZ THEORY TIME: Freeza was BSing about Saiyans not being able to breathe in space, and Goku fell for it. There is, after all, no scenes with Saiyans suffocating to death in space, yes...? ...
Of course, this one hinges on the idea that Freeza was actually thinking about taking advantage of Goku's lack of education in a desperate moment.
2) I always thought the implication was that the Ultimate Dragon Balls didn't exist at all between the time Piccolo was born and the time he merged with God. I.e., they were connected to the Son of Katatz. When he became to people, the balls died. When he became whole gain, the Dragon Balls created by God alone turned to stone, and the Ultimate Dragon Balls reactivated.
Wouldn't Piccolo's merging with Nail kinda mess with the idea of him being the whole "Son of Katatz" thing? I doubt he was the same "Son of Katatz" even if he merged with Kami again, because of the Nail merge and the Piccolo-side being dominant.

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Post by GamingBuddha » Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:45 pm

GotenDaisuki wrote:
Necrosaber wrote:I always assumed there were different levels of hell.
Are you referring to the Divine Comedy? If so, that might be a reason why the Hell in Dragon Ball Z is different than the Hell in GT. In the Divine Comedy, Dante has to work his way up from Hell to Heaven, and there are many levels of Hell. But I doubt this was the influence to the different Hell's. I still believe it is merely an inconsistency.
In the episode where Goku falls into Hell in Z, Goz (or Mez) say that he's in the first district of hell. That means the other districts could be very different. I'm sure Hell's a huge place.

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Post by Piccolo Daimao » Wed Apr 27, 2011 3:09 pm

No offence, but some of these don't even seem like plotholes or inconsistencies to me.
Turtle Marked Stone wrote:-Kami and Popo sent the Earthling trainees to Planet Vegeta using the pendulum room which seemed like a giant wasteland as opposed to how it appeared in the Bardock special.
Wasn't it a fake reality or something? As in, they didn't really go into the past? Similar to what Goku did, like when he went into the past and Mutaito was apparently stronger than him, even though he couldn't defeat a guy Goku killed?
Turtle Marked Stone wrote:-The Ginyu Special Corps. Battle Powers were all out of wack on Kaio’s Planet. They seemed far weaker then they should have been.
This is entirely based on opinion. Who's to say Yamcha and co. didn't get stronger than the Ginyu Force through training on Kaio's planet? It's not out of the realm of possibility, considering the power jumps characters get for the sake of plot and especially considering Piccolo's implied-to-be-stronger-than-Nail power after Kaio's training.
Turtle Marked Stone wrote:-Goku wished all the evil people on Earth away yet Pilaf remained in GT.
Pilaf was nothing more than a gag villain who disliked poop jokes and whose form of torture to Bulma was blowing her a kiss.
GotenDaisuki wrote:The Japanese states five years, but that can't be possible since everyone looks much more older than a mere five years would do, especially Bra, since she wasn't even in existence at the end of Z. FUNimation states that it takes place ten years after Z, which makes a lot more sense.
This is entirely based on opinion as well. Toriyama himself is inconsistent with ages in Dragon Ball (I don't think I need to list examples, as we've had whole threads about this), and so is manga and anime in general. And Bra was in existence at the end of Z. It's not up to you to decide whether it "makes sense". If Bra's 9, then she's 9, whether you like it or not. If she acts like a teenager, then she acts like a teenager. Oolong's 9 at the beginning of DB, but he has a raging hard-on for those girls in the village and Bulma. Goku looks and acts like a little kid when he's 15 at the 22nd TB.

I suppose the reason you've never seen a complete list of plotholes and inconsistencies is because some people don't seem to know what a legitimate plothole/inconsistency is. Evil people keeping their bodies in Hell is a legitimate plothole because it contradicts the fact that Goku clearly states that evil people don't get to keep their bodies. The Ginyu Force's powers in the Kaio filler is not a legitimate plothole because there's nothing that says Yamcha and co. couldn't have become stronger than them through training on Kaio's planet.
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Post by Fionordequester » Wed Apr 27, 2011 10:09 pm

I could write a full page on why Vegeta's character shift after the Freeza arc makes sense. Even if I couldn't, that's not really a plothole.

Could you please? I'm not saying that I don't agree with you, I just think it sounds like it would be an interesting read.
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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Thu Apr 28, 2011 3:53 am

Let's not forget the most retarded filler of all: the "Vegeta child abuse" scene.

It's the scene where Vegeta beats the living crap out of Gohan on Earth after they got transported from Namek. It ended with Vegeta leaving Gohan in an injured state, BUT in the next episode, Vegeta is standing in front of a tree and Gohan is perfectly fine. :roll:

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Post by kaialone » Thu Apr 28, 2011 1:33 pm

A really minor one.In the anime Kaioshin is shown to bleed blue,but later in the filler about Bibidi and the Kaioshin the South Kaioshin is shown to bleed red.
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Post by Goku100xKamehameha » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:18 pm

Piccolo's blood in early Z and DB.

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Post by violadude » Thu Apr 28, 2011 10:39 pm

This isn't really a "for sure" inconsistency because it's based so much on opinion but do any of you feel that Gohan got too confident in the surviving in the desert filler, so that by the time Vegeta and Nappa get there he seems like his character sort of regresses?

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Post by Gaffer Tape » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:12 pm

Nope. Being able to survive independently is totally different from being thrust into a combat situation where grown men are dying and being mutilated.
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Post by Kid Buu » Thu Apr 28, 2011 11:23 pm

Gaffer Tape wrote:Nope. Being able to survive independently is totally different from being thrust into a combat situation where grown men are dying and being mutilated.
Exactly.

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Post by Turtle Marked Stone » Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:26 am

Edit: See below, sorry for the double post.
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Post by Turtle Marked Stone » Sat Apr 30, 2011 5:37 am

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Post by Dorexx » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:16 am

Goku falls in Hell when he isn't even half way through the Snake Road. When The Ginyus are kicked off Kaio's planet they fall in the blood pond, in the exact same place where Goku was. :?:
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Post by violadude » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:39 am

Dorexx wrote:Goku falls in Hell when he isn't even half way through the Snake Road. When The Ginyus are kicked off Kaio's planet they fall in the blood pond, in the exact same place where Goku was. :?:
I never noticed that before, ha!

Here's one, although it's not a filler inconsistency, it's a movie inconsistency that I have never heard anyone bring up. In movie 13 they only get one wish when they summon the dragon, even though the movie takes place during Dende's reign as God of Earth so the Dragon should have three wishes by now.

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Post by SuperForteX » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:41 am

Here's the BIGGEST one of them all.

When Vegeta and everyone is on Earth shortly after the Goku vs Freeza fight ends, Vegeta and Gohan get into an argument that quickly escalates into a brawl. It ends with Vegeta beating Gohan up a good deal, leaving him withering on the ground in pain, and Piccolo stepping in and telling him enough is enough.

At this point Vegeta goes on some mad rant about how Kakarot and Freeza are dead, so that means everyone has to be subordinate to him from now on, then he actually flies away laughing as everyone else looks on with fearful eyes.

Then the very next episode, Vegeta is still leaning against his tree, everyone is acting like none of that happened at all, and Vegeta drops his suggestion about how to bring Krillin and the others back to life with the Dragonballs--to which Gohan thanks him.

This is by far and away the worst example of the whole "anime creates inconsistencies" in the entire franchise... I dare you to come up with a more glaring example.

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Post by Dorexx » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:56 am

C'mon. He simply came back. :| Maybe he needed to pee. Or he realized that he doesn't have anywhere to go. Or he remembered that Goku'll probably return sooner or later and he shouldn't miss anything important. Or he was thirsty. Or hungry... (...)
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Post by Rocketman » Sat Apr 30, 2011 11:15 am

Obviously a new hire was put in charge of writing the script for that episode. Before it could be caught, the script was sent out and the drones had already animated and broadcast it. It was then the pillars of Toei shook in realization..."Did we just broadcast something that favored Vegeta?

After cutting out the intern's heart and sacrificing it to their god, it was decided the best thing to do was simply ignore the previous episode.

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Post by Ahiru77 » Sat Apr 30, 2011 1:11 pm

Vegeta vs Gohan should've been canon. Gohan actually landed the first punch/kick there. 8)


As for inconsistency, Goku was screaming in terror when Namek was about to explode. Not going all Indiana Jones on Freeza's ship to Ginyu's pod.

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Re: Anime Filler Plot-holes/Inconcestencies

Post by Puto » Sat Apr 30, 2011 7:35 pm

REALLY DUMB LULZ THEORY TIME: Freeza was BSing about Saiyans not being able to breathe in space, and Goku fell for it. There is, after all, no scenes with Saiyans suffocating to death in space, yes...? ...
Here we go again...

Freeza never said that Saiyans can't survive in outer space. What he said was "I can survive in space, but I don't know about a Saiyan ape like you." Note the "don't know" part. He doesn't know. People just seem to constantly interprete that wrong, god knows why.
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