Did Gohan lose the Super Saiyan form?

[GamingBuddha]

Could Gohan go Super Saiyan after Old Kaioshin's powerup? If he could, it doesn't make sense why he didn't use it against Super Boo, but it might just mean that he needs to train some more to get it back.

Even without becoming a Super Saiyan, he has power surpassing Gotenks.

This quote also makes it seem as if he was choosing not to use it instead of not being able to. If you bring in GT, Gohan does get Super Saiyan back. So do the Daizenshuu (or any other guidebooks) say anything else about it? If not, does anyone have any opinions/theories on how he regained it in GT?

[Kaboom]

Gohan was told to "do that Super Saiyan thing" in order to finalize the ritual. So if that's what happens now when he tries transforming, then...

[rereboy]

Yes. The power up that Gohan received replaced all of his SSJ transformations.

And, thanks to it, Gohan has access to all of his potential power, including the power he could achieve with the SSJ transformations, without actually having to transform into a SSJ, therefore bypassing all the downsides of transforming into a SSJ, namely the SSJ3 power drain.

[SuperForteX]

But then why can he go Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT? And keep in mind, this is the In-Universe subboard, so no explanation about "Akira Toriyama didn't write DBGT" is going to fly here. Does the GT Perfect Files touch on this at all?

[Kaboom]

But then why can he go Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT?

Because GT does whatever the f*** it wants with little to no regard for the manga.

[CatouttaHell]

But then why can he go Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT? And keep in mind, this is the In-Universe subboard, so no explanation about "Akira Toriyama didn't write DBGT" is going to fly here. Does the GT Perfect Files touch on this at all?

My personal theory is that he either did some more training or naturally got his SSjin form back. Chou Gohan has the same power as GT Base Gohan IMO. Maybe it just came back randomly after enough time passed and the limits Rou Kaioshin took him beyond disappeared.

But then why can he go Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT?

Because GT does whatever the f*** it wants with little to no regard for the manga.

What a thoughtful, inspiring response. Did you even read his post?

[Kaboom]

But then why can he go Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT?

Because GT does whatever the f*** it wants with little to no regard for the manga.

What a thoughtful, inspiring response. Did you even read his post?

Yes, I did. Sometimes, the best answer is the simplest one.

[SuperForteX]

DaizEX. The segment of the DB fanbase that has no imagination.

[roidrage]

But then why can he go Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT? And keep in mind, this is the In-Universe subboard, so no explanation about "Akira Toriyama didn't write DBGT" is going to fly here. Does the GT Perfect Files touch on this at all?

My personal theory is that he either did some more training or naturally got his SSjin form back. Chou Gohan has the same power as GT Base Gohan IMO. Maybe it just came back randomly after enough time passed and the limits Rou Kaioshin took him beyond disappeared.

But then why can he go Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT?

Because GT does whatever the f*** it wants with little to no regard for the manga.

What a thoughtful, inspiring response. Did you even read his post?

Way to be a dick to the moderator, fella.

I guess my theory would be he lost power over the years, since Ultimate Gohan probably wouldn't need a Super Saiyan transformation.

[CatouttaHell]

DaizEX. The segment of the DB fanbase that has no imagination.

A large part of the fanbase hates GT and just responds to all GT debates with stuff like "it's GT so it's bullshit and makes no sense." I made a thread on Neoseeker recently debating GT Goku vs. Vegetto and the vast majority of the replies were just "it's GT so it's BULLSHIT, this isn't canon, etc."

[SuperForteX]

Way to be a dick to the moderator, fella.

Eh, he was trolling me.

[roidrage]

Way to be a dick to the moderator, fella.

Eh, he was trolling me.

No, he wasn't. Kaboom's quote was the one he was responding to.

[Fox666]

DaizEX. The segment of the DB fanbase that has no imagination.

A large part of the fanbase hates GT and just responds to all GT debates with stuff like "it's GT so it's bullshit and makes no sense." I made a thread on Neoseeker recently debating GT Goku vs. Vegetto and the vast majority of the replies were just "it's GT so it's BULLSHIT, this isn't canon, etc."

Surely you asked for it

[Kaboom]

DaizEX. The segment of the DB fanbase that has no imagination.

I have imagination out the wazoo. But sometimes you've gotta pick your battles. Reconciling GT with the manga is a hopeless one. You can theorize all you want about things, but ultimately it's a just speculation in an effort to fix what are just blatant efforts to make Toei's favorite character(s) look better than others.

So if you want a theory from me about Gohan having Super Saiyan back in GT, then here it is. My theory is that his 'Ultimate' state does not serve as base form now with a 50x stronger Super Saiyan form on top of it (because that would make him stronger than GT base Goku, and we can't have THAT now, no sir). Rather, due to him not training or maintaining his big, extra, unnatural power-up for 15 straight years, his power is slowly starting to revert back to its prior, natural arrangement, that of a low base form and one or more big-boost Super Saiyan forms. However, the regression is only partially complete, so his "base" form is still very strong, and the Super Saiyan boost on top of it is relatively small.

Ultimate Gohan (Z): 30

GT Gohan: 10
Super Saiyan: 30

Something like that. There's your imaginative theory. But it will never be fact until something from Shueisha says it is.

Eh, he was trolling me.

No, I was actually giving a reasonable and highly honest answer. Watch it.

A large part of the fanbase hates GT and just responds to all GT debates with stuff like "it's GT so it's bullshit and makes no sense." I made a thread on Neoseeker recently debating GT Goku vs. Vegetto and the vast majority of the replies were just "it's GT so it's BULLSHIT, this isn't canon, etc."

I like GT. But there's no denying that its power-scalings ARE bullshit. The show takes every possible effort, and even a few impossible ones, to make Goku look better than anyone and everyone else no matter what. This is incredibly obvious.

[SuperForteX]

Way to be a dick to the moderator, fella.

Eh, he was trolling me.

No, he wasn't. Kaboom's quote was the one he was responding to.

Yet VegettoEX has scolded others for picking out only a small portion of one's post and replying to only that quote with a one-line response. He was clearly in the wrong here. You're passing a very biased judgement here. But whatever. Can we please just drop this before it escalates? I'm already on thin ice as it is.

[Casual Matt]

Anyway,

Gohan clearly didn't have his "Ultimate" power up in GT anymore, for some reason or another, since he was again able to become a Super Saiyan and indeed had to in order to power up.

My opinion is simply that since Gohan likely didn't train, he got weaker after the fight with Boo. This same thing happened after his battle with Cell.

Anyway, when he was "Ultimate" his power was peaked. So after losing strength from neglecting his training, he wouldn't have been at peak power any more and thus no longer "Ultimate". So he would then have to transform again to gain strength.

Kind of a flimsy explanation but it's pretty much all I got.

[Bussani]

And keep in mind, this is the In-Universe subboard, so no explanation about "Akira Toriyama didn't write DBGT" is going to fly here.

I don't want to derail the topic further, but I've thought about mentioning this before: I think you take the name of the section a bit too literally. By all means, if you're only interested in in-universe answers, say so, but it's not against the rules for someone to give an out-of-universe answer. This section wasn't even named this until not too long ago, and that was only because people kept putting threads in the wrong place. I feel like the new name's causing some of its own misconceptions now.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Well, a good while back, I believed Gohan had access to his Super Saiyan transformation in GT because he was blown away by Kid Boo and brought back without the full-effect of Kaioshin's ability (I also was of the opinion that Vegeta no longer had access to the latent powers he had while under Bobbidi's control, but that's a different matter) like it was during the battle with Super Boo.

Errr....what destroys that opinion is the fact that he still keeps his "Ultimate" look while he's giving energy to the Genki-Dama and when he's shown 10 yrs later.

So, I really don't know why he has the transformation back. Maybe it really was the lack of training or something like that.

[TheDevilsCorpse]

You could always fanwank an idea along the lines of: "As Gohan got older, his potential continued to grow. Once it grew beyond the point which the elder Kaioshiin had released it years prior, since he took Gohan's power past his max, he could return to using the transformation to gain more power that is now outside what the ritual allowed access to". Or it that confused you, lol, if Gohan had a power of 10, a potential of 100 and the elder Kaioshin brought his power to 150, then once his potential rose above that over time, he could transform again.

[hleV]

But then why can he go Super Saiyan in Dragon Ball GT? And keep in mind, this is the In-Universe subboard, so no explanation about "Akira Toriyama didn't write DBGT" is going to fly here. Does the GT Perfect Files touch on this at all?

It's funny how you write "But then why" and jump the GT. GT! The guy simply asked a normal question about why Gohan no longer transformed, but you jump to GT? Sorry, but it's too hard for me to understand how anyone can ask for explanations regarding GT! You added "But then why" as if what people explained contradicts anything that is true in original Dragon Ball (this truth is fucked up in GT).
I doubt if the creator of this thread cares about it more than most of us do, so he probably got his answer. But then why some people want explanations regarding GT? Just enjoy it or not, but not try to explain it since it's bullshit.

EDIT: Duh, didn't notice thread author mentioning his interest in WTF happened in GT.