Fanmanga - DB Multiverse

[Godo]

DBM is supposed to be whatever Salagir wants it to be. Are you paying for it? I don't think so...

This must be one of the shittiest, poorest excuse of a defense I've ever read, and it's one that you repeat over and over again.

Just because of that something free, it doesn't mean that it's in any way wrong or unsuitable to criticize it.
Now, DBM has a comment section, and it's available to any country throughout the world in a page that is designed to being user-friendly. Everyone has the right to critique it as much as they want, bitch and moan as much as they want. There is no disclaimer against critique (in fact, it seems to be appreciated!).
Sites like Deviantart (which contains lots of artwork and even comics) have the option to allow people to give criticism on their works. I have yet to see a comic artist to be such close minded and unreceptive to constructive criticism as Salagir et. al.

There are people that make comics for themselves, just for the lulz or to share everywhere on the net. And I've never heard any line like yours as defense for people being upset about a manga (and I'm very sure that if you threw out such a line on other communities, you would be scolded). I don't see why there are no more people in this thread that have reacted to these shitty counterarguments that float around here.

Just the fact that Salagir lets these poor excuses for comics to even be hosted on his page as "specials" shows how dense the guy really is. It's almost as if that he knows that if he removes the specials and a continuing flow of images on his site, people will cease to read his manga or to forget about it. He is making a fool of himself, his own work, and Gogeta Jr. too.
It's OK to take breaks. Just don't put shit in between them.

[TonyTheTiger]

Put it this way. If I have to look at non-Gogeta Jr. art for the specials (which is kind of their point so it will always be that way) I'd rather look at this than really shitty Toriyama imitations like the Trunks and Cell specials. This is a Da Vinci in comparison.

[Deep Thought]

I agree with 'Neko on this one, the art looks awful. There was this other really, really awful comic the I read recently that had an atrocious art style, but compared to this, that comic is a respectful representation of Toriyama's work.





Oh, hey, cross-universe fights. Wasn't that what DBM was supposed to be about?

[rereboy]

DBM is supposed to be whatever Salagir wants it to be. Are you paying for it? I don't think so...

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You know what? I had a pretty big reply written here but its not worth it. I will write a simple one instead.

I believe that the right to criticism can't be an open road to rudeness and demanding posture.

Just because someone has the right to do something, that doesn't mean he/she has the right to do it in just about any way he/she wants.

I thought that SuperForteX was being a little too demanding, so, I basically called him on it.

I mentioned the fact that he it was free because, sometimes, when people are disappointed in what they buy, they become rude and demanding. Even if they don't have the right to do so, I can understand their position. Its sort of a valid excuse, in my opinion.

When its free, there simply is no valid excuse, in my opinion, to be rude and/or demanding, just because we have the right to criticize something. And being online is also no escuse.

As for you Godo, this isn't the first time you reply to me in such a tone. I don't really know why you single me out like that but I also don't really care. I have no interest in being in endless arguments with you and I won't be as rude as you apparently are to me. So, if you have a specific problem with me just call me out on in via Private Message so that we don't derail the topic. Ok?

[TonyTheTiger]

snip.

To each his own, I guess. I, personally, don't like that art at all.

[SuperForteX]

When people try to demand shit from the authors

Salagir is demanding shit from us too. He wants us to read and like his comic. It's a mutual engagement. I'm a fanfic author as well, but I still understand this. It's just not fair the way he continually shoves these badart specials our way, with arrogant statements about how we just have to accept it.


It's no different from the Dragon Ball Wiki guys you all hate so much.

[TonyTheTiger]

I think it's loads different. People don't complain about the Dragon Ball Wiki because of some creative license. People complain because of it's blatant misinformation paraded as fact. Nothing of the sort is happening here.

[rereboy]

When people try to demand shit from the authors

Salagir is demanding shit from us too. He wants us to read and like his comic. It's a mutual engagement. I'm a fanfic author as well, but I still understand this. It's just not fair the way he continually shoves these badart specials our way, with arrogant statements about how we just have to accept it.


It's no different from the Dragon Ball Wiki guys you all hate so much.

He makes the comic and people, if they like it, are free to follow it and even comment on it.

He doesn't DEMAND anything.

And in the same way he doesn't DEMAND that people follow his comic and like it, I believe he also expects people not to DEMAND stuff done in DBM according to the way THEY want instead of the way HE wants.

I was just trying to show you the difference between disagreing with something and criticizing it, and being demanding about it, which I think is not so cool, you know?

[Deep Thought]

snip.

To each his own, I guess. I, personally, don't like that art at all.

I don't either, that's why I said that it was abysmal. I'm just saying that it's better than the art shown in the special. At least that guy knows very basic proportional things, like what hands should look like and how long arms should be and it's kind of consistent, even if it is rectangular crap. Just saying.

[Deep Thought]

snip.

To each his own, I guess. I, personally, don't like that art at all.

I don't either, that's why I said that it was abysmal. I'm just saying that it's better than the art shown in the special. At least that guy knows very basic proportional things, like what hands should look like and how long arms should be and it's kind of consistent, even if it is rectangular crap. Just saying, I never said that it was good, to the contrary I was saying that it was the worst art style I had seen for Dragon Ball. Now I'm saying that it's been dethroned by this.

[SuperForteX]

Would DBM have made it this far without Gogeta Jr.'s art? But now even though Gogeta Jr. has no part of drawing the specials, he'll still be associated with them. If you ask any kid on the street what their impression of DBM is, they will say "the art sucks now'a'days!" and walk away, licking their lolipop and flicking their Yo-Yo from their wrist, with their baseball cap turned backwards.

[Kingdom Heartless]

This discussion is reminding me of the Itchy and Scratchy and Poochie episode of The Simpsons where the Comic Book Guy is bitching about how he's owed better, to which Bart replies "but they give you thousands of hours of free entertainment, if anything, don't you owe them?"

And in the end, I agree, and it applies even more to this, because they aren't making any profit at all. They are just showing their passion for a series they clearly love. So no matter what errors or quality they may be producing, they show more love for the series that the people who read the comic 3 times a week so they can bitch about it.

I'm not saying people don't have the right to have any criticisms about the comic at all.... but to actually think these authors owe you anything is ridiculous.

[SuperForteX]

Eh, they profit in subtle ways. They keep plugging their other works, and Salagir outright stated that the amilova project is an effort to get 'noticed' and become professionals.

[TonyTheTiger]

Would DBM have made it this far without Gogeta Jr.'s art?

I can only speak for myself but the uncanny similarity between Gogeta Jr.'s work and Toriyama's is what originally got me interested. And, yes, it is probably what kept me going. Don't get me wrong, the story is also more interesting (in principle) than what I've seen from most other fanmanga. But, yeah, I doubt I'd be so invested if it didn't "feel" so...authentic.

But that being said, what drives me away from fanmangas is that many of them try to imitate Toriyama yet fail miserably. I wouldn't, for instance, ever have given DBM the time of day had it looked entirely like the Trunks special. So since I'm so put off by Toriyama imitations that don't capture the spirit of his work, I'm more forgiving when the specials go into bizarre territory like the Vegetto or Bojack special.

Again, I haven't much enjoyed any of the specials thus far. But if I can't have Gogeta Jr. I'll take lulz trollface over something as boring looking as the Trunks chapter.

The way I rationalize it for myself is that since DBM proper feels so authentic I imagine the specials as being essentially fanmangas of a fanmanga.

[SuperForteX]

Yet the specials have bad stories, not just art. And isn't Salagir still writing the story for the Special Chapters? Or does he just provide a basic outline.?.

[rereboy]

Would DBM have made it this far without Gogeta Jr.'s art?

Of course not. The regular chapters are far, far better than the specials. No question about it. Art included. And that is why DBM has success.

I'm only amazed at the importance that people give to these specials... To me, they just don't matter. They are filler at best. And we can follow the main story without even looking at them because we won't miss anything important for the story of DBM.

In fact, if I wasn't a translator for DBM, I probably wouldn't even follow the specials. So far, they are just mediocre/average fan art/manga of a good fan art/manga, if you know what I mean. They are like two different things which don't really influence each other. One being bad or worse than the other doesn't mean that the other is bad.

And since they don't really matter to me, and since they are like two sepparate things, I can't understand all the fuzz people do about them. I can understand the criticism, of course, I even mostly agree with it. I just don't understand when people go overboard with it.

Its not like DBM is ruined beacause of them... DBM (the real chapters of DBM) is still be the same with those fillers or without them.

Yet the specials have bad stories, not just art. And isn't Salagir still writing the story for the Special Chapters? Or does he just provide a basic outline.?.

We don't know for sure. It could be just a basic outline and he leaves the choreography of the fights and etc for the artist. We just don't know.

Scarz probably knows since she is doing one of them.

[SuperForteX]

Scarz is drawing one of the specials? Well I didn't mean to offend any of the creative team working on the specials. We just get upset because we're forced to sit through them. We want to see XXI already...

[rereboy]

Scarz is drawing one of the specials? Well I didn't mean to offend any of the creative team working on the specials. We just get upset because we're forced to sit through them. We want to see XXI already...

Indeed. I wish it was faster too

[Zionist]

You know, when this special began, I thought "Hey, maybe we'll actually get a story out of this, like what they did after they killed the Z senshi" And now it's like.....SMH

[dbgtFO]

A lot of stuff has happened since my last reply in this thread.
They finally revealed Videl as a U9 fighter like the novel hinted at, and apparently this Videl has gotten a boob job or maybe Gogeta Jr. simply dislikes drawing flatchested women in tight clothing.
I don't know.

The Bojack special looked interesting at first, but now it seems to go in the same direction the Cell special did. On the plus side this special has funny art, which I'm hoping they take advantage of when drawing the characters' deaths. If they are making a gorefest, why not go all the way and draw disgusting but funny deaths?