Daizenshuu EX DB wiki...again

[Pokewhiz7]

I've been contributing to the wiki.

[Ringworm128]

I don't see the point of making a new DB Wiki. We already have Daizenshuu EX and Kanzentai for accurate DB info, so why would we need a third site?

[Pokewhiz7]

Because Kanzentai and Daizex don't have every single little fact there is.

[Ringworm128]

Because Kanzentai and Daizex don't have every single little fact there is.

Well why can't they just work on adding all the little facts to Daizenshuu EX and Kanzentai? Two sites that already have a head start in info instead of a site that hasn't even started yet and random people will be able to vandalize causing the Admins to have to fix things all the time.

[Herms]

Since it's the English language wiki it would make sense to use the English title cards.

There's really no point in moving away from the Funi dub names if your driving concern is still going to be using English things wherever possible simply because "it's an English language wiki". You're trying to make an encyclopedia about DB, so it makes sense to display the title cards that were created with the episodes, by the people who actually made the show, rather than ones thrown together by some guys in Texas years after production of the show stopped. For that matter, aren't there going to be different English title cards for the various different English dubs? Which ones would you use?

[GamingBuddha]

I've been contributing to the wiki.

You're Paikuhan on there right? Good job with the edits you've done so far!

Because Kanzentai and Daizex don't have every single little fact there is.

Well why can't they just work on adding all the little facts to Daizenshuu EX and Kanzentai? Two sites that already have a head start in info instead of a site that hasn't even started yet and random people will be able to vandalize causing the Admins to have to fix things all the time.

Well wikis can work much faster than a site run by a few people can. That's what makes wikis so appealing. And vandalism on wikis isn't really as bad as you think. When it does happen, it takes just one button to fix it for an admin. Look at what Wikipedia has to say about it.

Many users believe that unregistered users' sole contributions to Wikipedia are to cause disruption to articles and that they have fewer rights as editors compared with registered users. Studies in 2004 and 2007 found that while most vandalism (80%) is generated by IP editors, over 80% of edits by unregistered users were not vandalism.

Since it's the English language wiki it would make sense to use the English title cards.

There's really no point in moving away from the Funi dub names if your driving concern is still going to be using English things wherever possible simply because "it's an English language wiki". You're trying to make an encyclopedia about DB, so it makes sense to display the title cards that were created with the episodes, by the people who actually made the show, rather than ones thrown together by some guys in Texas years after production of the show stopped. For that matter, aren't there going to be different English title cards for the various different English dubs? Which ones would you use?

We are discussing changing a lot of the different English things we currently have on the wiki on the forum page I mentioned earlier. For a brief summary, we're talking about the episode/movie/special titles, the title cards, and the sagas/arcs.

Hypothetically speaking, if we went through with all of these reforms, would you still create a Daizex wiki or would you encourage use of the current one? I'm not really in favor of adding another wiki to the three that are already out there (Encyclopedia, Neoseeker, Wikia), and it would be easier to build up from what's there already rather than making a whole new wiki. Basically, I'm asking you what needs to be fixed on the wiki right now to get your endorsement and support. I've been trying to change the major stuff like the names and the titles, but if there's anything else, then let me know. I understand that the Encyclopedia has a bad reputation and there is a certain amount of hostility towards, but the site really has changed since it moved off Wikia.

[Pokewhiz7]

You're Paikuhan on there right? Good job with the edits you've done so far!

That's me.

[Fox666]

On another note, are you guys more likely to contribute to the wiki now that it's not concentrated on the dub anymore?

Not really, the damage is already done. I don't know how much I can trust the admins or other users look in the original source over their personal taste.

Besides, there is too much garbage that the feel is that it would be better to start from the scratch. This might not be anyone fault (except for the knowledge of the average USA fan) but due to the roots of the Wiki (citation of fan-made works long ago) it might not be fixable.

[GamingBuddha]

On another note, are you guys more likely to contribute to the wiki now that it's not concentrated on the dub anymore?

Not really, the damage is already done. I don't know how much I can trust the admins or other users look in the original source over their personal taste.

Besides, there is too much garbage that the feel is that it would be better to start from the scratch. This might not be anyone fault (except for the knowledge of the average USA fan) but due to the roots of the Wiki (citation of fan-made works long ago) it might not be fixable.

If it helps some, dantman and I are both admins, and most of the admins over there aren't bad at all. I doubt you would have a problem with any of the users either. Many of the more obnoxious users are still over at Wikia, and didn't come over to the new site. Also, exactly which damage were you referring to? There are some good articles, and the ones that are completely unfixable can just be blanked and replaced.

[Pokewhiz7]

I thought changes made to the Wikia affected the Encyclopedia?

[dantman]

I thought changes made to the Wikia affected the Encyclopedia?

The data from Wikia was imported back in November, any change made after that to the Wikia wiki doesn't apply to the Encyclopedia.

...and for good measure. We wouldn't be able to improve the Encyclopedia at all if it was just the same wiki.

[Saimaroimaru]

Looks like another dbz wiki has popped up. Ultra Dragon Ball wiki. It resulted from the trolls being ousted from DB wiki and forming their own. The funny thing is that it is worse than Db wiki in that it merges fanfiction with the actual series. Also, http://ultradragonball.wikia.com/wiki/C ... formations lol.

[Wobbuffet]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/File:F ... ftgoku.jpg
Can anybody please tell me where is this from?
The guys at DB wiki don't like to tell their sources. I would like to know, because it doesn't resemble Toriyama's style at all.

[Makaioshin]

http://dragonball.wikia.com/wiki/File:F ... ftgoku.jpg
Can anybody please tell me where is this from?
The guys at DB wiki don't like to tell their sources. I would like to know, because it doesn't resemble Toriyama's style at all.

The second Daizenshuu.

[Wobbuffet]

The second Daizenshuu.

Now I see, the picture was redrawn on Corel or whatever software.
It's a little sad how the old picture they used was clearly stolen from Kanzentai.

[Fox666]

Looks like another dbz wiki has popped up. Ultra Dragon Ball wiki. It resulted from the trolls being ousted from DB wiki and forming their own. The funny thing is that it is worse than Db wiki in that it merges fanfiction with the actual series. Also, http://ultradragonball.wikia.com/wiki/C ... formations lol.

I would call it an exacerbated version of Dragon Ball Encyclopedia. It has the same problems problems of it multiplied by 2.

[Son Goshen]

I go on Dragon Ball Wiki a lot, and I found out quite a bit of information are the same as what Daizenshuu EX posted.

[dantman]

I go on Dragon Ball Wiki a lot, and I found out quite a bit of information are the same as what Daizenshuu EX posted.

Btw, if you notice that on the Encyclopedia you're free to throw a <ref> tag into the page near the facts pointing to Daizex.

[Li'l Lemmy]

I have honestly tried to make use of the DragonBall Wiki as a reference, because I think that the series universe is certainly large and varied enough to warrant some sort of encyclopedic database. A lot of the articles are written reasonably, and I even like the design a bit. But the general execution is just horrid. There's just too many instances of blatant inconsistency with regard to names and events, not to mention some pretty extreme fanwank.

I think that a set of policies needs to be more strictly enforced before it can become a credible source of information-- either that, or it should be completely reworked from the ground up.


~Da Lemmy

[Saimaroimaru]

I have honestly tried to make use of the DragonBall Wiki as a reference, because I think that the series universe is certainly large and varied enough to warrant some sort of encyclopedic database. A lot of the articles are written reasonably, and I even like the design a bit. But the general execution is just horrid. There's just too many instances of blatant inconsistency with regard to names and events, not to mention some pretty extreme fanwank.

I think that a set of policies needs to be more strictly enforced before it can become a credible source of information-- either that, or it should be completely reworked from the ground up.


~Da Lemmy

I was thinking of doing that, creating wiki from scratch by reading the manga from the beginning and adding and edit as I finish each volume and then moving on to the anime and so on. But the problem comes from translations and the translation wars that go between fans to the point that it isn't worth it. What DB wiki needs is a translation corner akin to what Bleach wiki has.