Android 21 = Cell?

BleachTrunks · Post by **BleachTrunks** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 12:53 pm

My friend recently stated that Cell is Android 21... and I don't recall this statement at all from the series. I told him to go look it up if he wants me to believe him. He says he "checked the internet" and that he was right and when I asked for a source he didn't give me one. Personally I can't recall any point in time where he was refered to as android 21, but I can't be 100% certain. If someone can definitively tell me he is or isn't called android 21 at any time in the series I would love it (source with confirmation if yes, please). Also, please don't just come and tell me, "dude, he is so tota1y #21 cause taht's like the n3xt number!!1!" because my friend gave me that dumb argument for awhile before I asked for proof. I can "totally" figure out on my own that the number after 20 is 21, thanks

Anyway, thanks in advance

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:08 pm

He was never called that way, and never will be.

Chaos Saiyajin · Post by **Chaos Saiyajin** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 1:22 pm

I've never heard him called #21, only Cell. Since Cell is a different type of android than the others, I think Toriyama-sensei named him different on purpose. I mean #21 absorbing #17 & #18? That sorta sounds funny...

Or maybe I'm just weird...

OT: BleachTrunks, I love your avatar! Kubo-sensei did an awesome drawing of Mirai Trunks!

Xyex · Post by **Xyex** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 2:01 pm

I've seen a number of Fanfics and sites call him 21. Thing is, none of them are thinking. Cell states (IIRC) that he was started before 17 and 18. Which means, if you count the movies, he'd have to be number 12 at the latest.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 3:16 pm

http://www.lovelycyborg.com/shrine/androidabc.gif

This would indicate that he's either android #9, 10, 11, or 12, as Xyex stated. His "flaw" would be the time it takes to make him.

I wish they'd state that Sgt Metal or whatever his is name is was one of the pre-#8 androids. I think the fact that he only works for so long before his battery gives is proof that he was flawed. I also liked to assume that Cyborg Taopaipai was #9 or 10, since both he and Gero had connections to the Red Ribbon army. I'm such a boob.

BleachTrunks · Post by **BleachTrunks** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:04 pm

Thanks for the replies. I was pretty sure he wasn't #21 and now I am quite convinced. Also, thanks for the compliment on the avatar, Chaos Saiyajin. Kubo-sensei's pic in the images section was drool worthy... just had to use it, heh.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sat Oct 22, 2005 7:11 pm

Cell's a Bio-Organic Android (Or something like that). He wouldn't have a number then, would he? But then, that wouldn't work as 17, 18, 20, and possibly 19 are cyborgs.

Oh and Dayspring, that link does not work

The S · Post by **The S** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 12:53 am

Oh and Dayspring, that link does not work

Copy and paste.

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 5:59 am

Simple. Cell's not an android.

If he were, we would've seen robot parts. Not to mention, androids are robots built in the shape of humans.

And if Cell was a cyborg, he would've had some robotic parts within him. Unless of course, they were tiny like the ones put into No. 17 and No. 18 to fuel their endless supply of energy. He is mainly made up of DNA from other fighters, afterall.

IIRC, Cell was basically started on first through bio-engineering but stopped because the process was taking too long. Gero left Cell to be worked on by his computer while he turned two humans into cyborgs. :s Someone may wanna correct me on this if I'm wrong.

Leotaku · Post by **Leotaku** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 9:40 am

BleachTrunks wrote:Also, please don't just come and tell me, "dude, he is so tota1y #21 cause taht's like the n3xt number!!1!" because my friend gave me that dumb argument for awhile before I asked for proof.

Ha. You won't get that kind of statement here. And if you do, that person'll probably be banned.

In which case, don't get your friend to register here.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:48 am

The S wrote:
Oh and Dayspring, that link does not work
Copy and paste.

Done and done. Since you can no longer see the link, note that this is not my pic, but a pic from Lovely Cyborg's. I know it's VIZ's version, but this is simply their translation of a manga chapter's cover so it's still worth a grain of salt.

As you can see, this was Gero's attempt at making another Android (or more precisely, an artificial human, which is why they all got classed under Androids). I take back what I said earlier about him being one of #9-12, though. That arrow linking him to #18 would indicate that he was started after her and prior to #19. Technically, if you must number him, he's #18.5.

Gamingdevil · Post by **Gamingdevil** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:38 pm

Tsukento wrote:Simple. Cell's not an android. If he were, we would've seen robot parts. Not to mention, androids are robots built in the shape of humans.

And if Cell was a cyborg, he would've had some robotic parts within him. Unless of course, they were tiny like the ones put into No. 17 and No. 18 to fuel their endless supply of energy. He is mainly made up of DNA from other fighters, afterall.

IIRC, Cell was basically started on first through bio-engineering but stopped because the process was taking too long. Gero left Cell to be worked on by his computer while he turned two humans into cyborgs. :s Someone may wanna correct me on this if I'm wrong.

That doesn't really prove anything as "Android" is simply the word that was choosen to translate jinzoningen (sp?), which doesn't really have a translation in English and means "artificial human". Cyborgs aren't really Androids either, so it doesn't mean anything.

And Dayspring? That link still doesn't work

Post by **VegettoEX** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 3:46 pm

Maggie has anti-hot-linking turned on

(as do I, on the new host). It's an awesome feature. Heh.

You'll have to upload the image to your own space and link to it.

Eclipse · Post by **Eclipse** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 4:51 pm

Maggie has anti-hot-linking turned on Razz (as do I, on the new host). It's an awesome feature. Heh.

You'll have to upload the image to your own space and link to it.

Eh, no. The S was right. Simpy copy the address link, then paste the link =)

Tsukento · Post by **Tsukento** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 7:02 pm

Gamingdevil wrote:That doesn't really prove anything as "Android" is simply the word that was choosen to translate jinzoningen (sp?), which doesn't really have a translation in English and means "artificial human". Cyborgs aren't really Androids either, so it doesn't mean anything.

And unlike the Japanese language, we DO have ways of saying different names for them. Android and cyborg are not the same, no matter how you slice it. Android may have been the word chosen to replace Jinzouningen or Artificial Human in the dub, but it's still an incorrect term for No. 17 and No. 18 because they are NOT robots designed as humans. Cell's no android either considering he's completely created from bio-engineering. He's an actual life form. Although Cell really can't be a cyborg considering his body was creating on its own through DNA supplied to him by Dr. Gero.

I guess the only thing we can say is that Cell's one helluva mixed human/alien, if anything. Having the blood of Saiyans, a Namek, aliens, and humans would make him into one.."interesting" breed.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Sun Oct 23, 2005 11:03 pm

Tsukento wrote:
Gamingdevil wrote:That doesn't really prove anything as "Android" is simply the word that was choosen to translate jinzoningen (sp?), which doesn't really have a translation in English and means "artificial human". Cyborgs aren't really Androids either, so it doesn't mean anything.
And unlike the Japanese language, we DO have ways of saying different names for them. Android and cyborg are not the same, no matter how you slice it. Android may have been the word chosen to replace Jinzouningen or Artificial Human in the dub, but it's still an incorrect term for No. 17 and No. 18 because they are NOT robots designed as humans. Cell's no android either considering he's completely created from bio-engineering. He's an actual life form. Although Cell really can't be a cyborg considering his body was creating on its own through DNA supplied to him by Dr. Gero.

I guess the only thing we can say is that Cell's one helluva mixed human/alien, if anything. Having the blood of Saiyans, a Namek, aliens, and humans would make him into one.."interesting" breed.

Fuck! All of you just go to Maggie's site and look up the chapter cover! Android is the general term used in the English version to list the creations of Gero since "The various creations of Dr Gero where some have completely artificial, some completely organic and some half-way inbetween- #17" would be a damn long name! The ABC chart even lists which are completely artificial and which are cyborgs.

Adamant · Post by **Adamant** » Mon Oct 24, 2005 6:54 am

Time to quote the danish manga again!

Cell wrote:My name is Celle! I am a cyborg!

Well, unless that dialouge was made up by the translators (I don't have the original manga or episode nearby), Cell did refer to himself as a jinzouningen in the original. That he's not what FUNi/Viz chose to translate the word as is irrenlevant, as most of the characters FUNi/Viz labelled "androids" aren't androids anyway.

Duo · Post by **Duo** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 5:08 am

Viz Manga wrote:My name is Cell, and I'm an artificial life form.

Proving, once again, that Viz pwns. The Danish Version just sounds...gay. Some translation.

Dayspring · Post by **Dayspring** » Tue Oct 25, 2005 6:45 pm

Duo wrote:
Viz Manga wrote:My name is Cell, and I'm an artificial life form.
Proving, once again, that Viz pwns. The Danish Version just sounds...gay. Some translation.

No, that comment wasn't pointless, prejudice and offensive in any way.

alakazam^ · Post by **alakazam^** » Thu Oct 27, 2005 7:36 pm

He said he was a jinzouningen. We could call him an artificial human, isn't that what the world literally means?

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