The All-Purpose "Versus" Thread

[Piccolo Daimao]

1. Kid Trunks Vs Kid Goten Post Time chamber

They were only in there for, like, a week, right? Yet, as Gotenks, Piccolo had a sliver of hope that they may succeed (although that was a set-up for the gag of Gotenks attacking Boo with no damage and Piccolo then saying, "We're doomed."

Nonetheless, I think Goten would win this. Trunks was slightly superior beforehand, and I think post-RoSaT Goten would have the edge on a pre-RoSaT Trunks.

2. Fat Buu Evil Vs Kid Buu

Well, Goku told Vegeta that he could've defeated Fat Boo with Super Saiyan 3, and there's nothing that contradicts that or suggests that he was wrong, bluffing or whatever. Meanwhile, Goku fought evenly with Kid Boo, and while it's harder to maintain SSj3 living, that problem was only brought up once Goku began to charge up for a full power attack, so assumedly, when he was fighting Kid Boo, that was his full power. He just couldn't charge it up for one minute to deal Boo the finishing blow. Remember, that wasn't noted as a problem or something special to SSj3 until Goku actually began charging up, so beforehand, it's all normal and Goku just doesn't have the time to power up for a final attack, like how Vegeta probably wouldn't have the time to power up for a Final Flash against a Cell Junior.

So, if Goku can defeat Fat Boo, while he can only fight evenly with Kid Boo, that means that Kid Boo would win.

3. Drum Vs 23rd Budokai Krillin

I'm going to go with Kuririn. Kuririn impressed Ma Junior with his strength, technique and movement, and, although it was for humour, after his match with Kuririn, Piccolo thought that he wouldn't be able to take over the world so easily.

4. Tenshinhan 23rd Budokai Vs King Piccolo

Tenshinhan wins after a mostly even battle. Even though he fought evenly with a Goku who'd surpassed his previous power by a lot, Tenshinhan still appeared to hold Goku's power from three years ago in somewhat high regard.

[Rocketman]

4. Tenshinhan 23rd Budokai Vs King Piccolo

Tenshinhan wins after a mostly even battle. Even though he fought evenly with a Goku who'd surpassed his previous power by a lot, Tenshinhan still appeared to hold Goku's power from three years ago in somewhat high regard.

Tien was at 250 when Raditz landed. King Piccolo was 260.

[CatouttaHell]

Tenshinhan was at 250 when Raditz landed. King Piccolo was 260.

The official numbers for Dragonball are clearly wrong. Piccolo Daimao shouldn't even be at 200.

[Piccolo Daimao]

4. Tenshinhan 23rd Budokai Vs King Piccolo

Tenshinhan wins after a mostly even battle. Even though he fought evenly with a Goku who'd surpassed his previous power by a lot, Tenshinhan still appeared to hold Goku's power from three years ago in somewhat high regard.

Tenshinhan was at 250 when Raditz landed. King Piccolo was 260.

I'm not taking into account the Daizenshuu's battle powers. Just the manga's portrayal. And yeah, I know you or someone else will say stuff like, "But Daizenshuu supports the manga, you can't just pick and choose what you accept", but battle powers like 1,030 for Mr. Popo is just retarded and doesn't even make sense within the story, no matter how much people try to twist and turn it. So if you don't accept that, yet accept 260 for Daimao, then you're a hypocrite.

And battle powers don't mean everything. They're a broken, unreliable concept of measuring someone's battle power.

[Kirby456]

How about Mister Popo Vs Piccolo Start of Dragon Ball Z?.

I think Mister Popo will trash Piccolo start of DBZ V Jump gave him 1038 enough to clobber Piccolo.

I agree with V Jumps Power levels they seem pretty right to me don't see whats wrong with Popo being at 1038.

[CatouttaHell]

Who cares what the V-Jump said? I prefer using common sense.

[Kirby456]

Who cares what the V-Jump said? I prefer using common sense.

V Jump = supervised by Toriyama > Your opinion.

Sorry.

Side note I'm the number 1 Chibi Goku fan.

I'm not taking into account the Daizenshuu's battle powers. Just the manga's portrayal. And yeah, I know you or someone else will say stuff like, "But Daizenshuu supports the manga, you can't just pick and choose what you accept", but battle powers like 1,030 for Mr. Popo is just retarded and doesn't even make sense within the story, no matter how much people try to twist and turn it. So if you don't accept that, yet accept 260 for Daimao, then you're a hypocrite.

And battle powers don't mean everything. They're a broken, unreliable concept of measuring someone's battle power.

I agree somewhat. But I disagree on Mister Popo's power. 1038 seems fair. I'm a firm supporter of V Jump's Power levels.

[Kaboom]

Kirby456, please improve your grammar. You've been here for a long while now, so you've had plenty of leeway on that. And stop double-posting, too. If you want to reply to someone else after making a post, you do have the ability to edit your new response into the same post. Like how I've already done.

Anyhoo... That level for Popo is presumably after he spent a year or so training with the four humans, who (except for Chaozu) all ended up even stronger than that. So it makes sense with the right context. That said, Popo at just a tad over 1000. Piccolo would be able to put up a better fight than against Raditz's 1500... but that's not saying much. Still a losing battle.

[Kirby456]

Kirby456, please improve your grammar. You've been here for a long while now, so you've had plenty of leeway on that. And stop double-posting, too. If you want to reply to someone else after making a post, you do have the ability to edit your new response into the same post. Like how I've already done.

Anyhoo... That level for Popo is presumably after he spent a year or so training with the four humans, who (except for Chaozu) all ended up even stronger than that. So it makes sense with the right context. That said, Popo at just a tad over 1000. Piccolo would be able to put up a better fight than against Raditz's 1500... but that's not saying much. Still a losing battle.

I'm well aware of the fact my grammar sucks. It's pretty obvious. Anyhow, I agree with you on Popo's power.

[Rocketman]

The official numbers for Dragonball are clearly wrong.

Because they don't support Tien-wanking?

[Kaboom]

I'm well aware of the fact my grammar sucks. It's pretty obvious.

Exactly. So if you know better, then please begin making an effort to fix it. That's the rule.

[CatouttaHell]

Because they don't support Tien-wanking?

Tenshinhan (Beginning of Z) should be >>> Tenshinhan (23rd Tenkaichi Budokai) who was heavily implied in the manga to have surpassed Piccolo Daimao by a good degree.

[Kirby456]

I'm well aware of the fact my grammar sucks. It's pretty obvious.

Exactly. So if you know better, then please begin making an effort to fix it. That's the rule.

Okay then, that's what i'ma do.

[Piccolo Daimao]

But I disagree on Mister Popo's power. 1038 seems fair. I'm a firm supporter of V Jump's Power levels.

Chapter: 164, P7.1-3
Goku: “Amazin’…Mister Popo, you really are incredible! That’s why I couldn’t beat ya!”
Popo: “Heh, well…Mister Popo has learned a whole, whole lot from God. That’s why I’m great.”
Goku: “So this ‘God’ guy is even more amazin’!?”
Popo: “Of course. God is far, far more incredible.”

And that's not just Mr. Popo bigging up God because he's God, since we see God flick back Goku like a bug with his finger, nor we do have any reason to assume that Mr. Popo's wrong, lying or whatever.

And nothing even suggests that Mr. Popo boosted to a level over 1,000 just from training the Earthlings. He's not even meant to fight the Saiyans, and yet he's even stronger than Chaozu, someone who was trained to fight the Saiyans?

You can twist it all you want, or say some shit like how that 1,030 was actually Mr. Popo's strongest attack, but I'm not going to twist shit around to "make it fit", when we shouldn't have to make it fit. I'm not going to twist Piccolo's 3,500 to "make it fit" by saying that they meant it was actually his Makankosappo. I'm not going to twist shit.

I'm going to take it at face value, and at face value, a non-fanwanking DB fan would look at Mr. Popo's 1,030 and say, "That's not right". Whether or not he gained power from training the Earthlings (which may or may not have been physical completely or in part) shouldn't even come into account. Mr. Popo himself claimed to be weaker than God, and that's that. No twisting, no fanwanking, just the manga's portrayal.

But battle powers don't matter. I don't even care about them anymore. It's no wonder people have started to say that battle powers shouldn't have been introduced in the story, because a number of specific fans themselves have started to put so much emphasis on them, as if they're some kind of flawless, 100% inconsistent scientific formula. And they're clearly not.

You know, Freeza's gang always seem to be banging on about their scouter being broken when someone's power is unbelievably high. They must be really shitty machines if they keep malfunctioning, eh? Btw, I'm joking in the last part.

The official numbers for Dragonball are clearly wrong.

Because they don't support Tien-wanking?

No-one's wanking Tenshinhan. Where did you get that from?

[Rocketman]

Mr. Popo himself claimed to be weaker than God

Right after King Piccolo, yes. But after Popo says that, he trains with Goku for three years, then with the four humans for another year.

No-one's wanking Tenshinhan. Where did you get that from?

CoH wanks Tien so hard it's going to fall off. MOUNTAIN TRAINING and all that.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Mr. Popo himself claimed to be weaker than God

Right after King Piccolo, yes. But after Popo says that, he trains with Goku for three years, then with the four humans for another year.

Nothing suggests that Mr. Popo got stronger from training Goku or the Earthlings, nor should it. He's not even going to be fighting anyone. And even though he's not going to be fighting the Saiyans, he's still become stronger than Chaozu, someone he's been training to actually fight the Saiyans? Kind of loses some of the impact of what God says.

"You have all surpassed me now. Yeah, even you, Chaozu.

...Although you're still not as strong as my gimp, Mr. Popo. Suck on that. Oh ho ho, double entendre!"

No-one's wanking Tenshinhan. Where did you get that from?

CoH wanks Tenshinhan so hard it's going to fall off. MOUNTAIN TRAINING and all that.

I don't know about that, but I don't get it from this thread. But whatever. You have to admit that not all the Daizenshuu battle powers make sense without twisting around to make sense. And I'm not going to pick and choose, because if you accept one, then you accept all of them. Yeah, 260 can work for Tenshinhan. 1,030 can't for Mr. Popo. Therefore, I'm not going to take into account any of them. It's a package deal.

[CatouttaHell]

CoH wanks Tenshinhan so hard it's going to fall off. MOUNTAIN TRAINING and all that.

What a compelling argument for Tenshinhan being weak.

[Super Saiyan Turlast x4]

Alright, I have one I'm curious to see.

Saiyan Saga Vegeta Vs Kiwi

I know their abilities are stated to be equal, so I was wondering how many believe the fight would go.

[Rocketman]

I think Vegeta would win, if for no other reason than his incredible durability.

[Kid Buu]

Alright, I have one I'm curious to see.

Saiyan Saga Vegeta Vs Kiwi

I know their abilities are stated to be equal, so I was wondering how many believe the fight would go.

Vegeta could easily just go Oozaru on him.