What if goku turned ssj as a kid?

[Jackal puFF]

Krillin might have stayed dead if he turned right away. You know with the dragonballs disappearing and such.

[violadude]

Hmm well...

If he turned SSJ right away then he probably would have killed Piccolo pretty easily, thus killing Kami and making the dragon balls disappear. Kuririn, Roshi and Chaouzu would have stayed dead. The 23rd TB would have been a lot less dramatic and it would have been not quite as fun without Kuririn.
5 years later when Raditz shows up Goku would have killed him easily too and without the dragon balls around I doubt Vegeta and Nappa would have much motivation to go to earth. I guess Freeza wouldn't have heard about the Dragon balls either because he got the information from scouter transmissions too if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if Goku would have even gotten involved with that group then, maybe way in the future if Freeza ever just decided to destroy everything, but he seemed pretty content just ruling over things and keeping people in fear and under control. Dr. Gero would have still had a grudge against Goku and made the androids but Trunks wouldn't exist because Vegeta would have never met Bulma so no one would come back and warn the group about them unless Bulma did it herself. Without the threat of the Saiya-jin and without Piccolo around, Gohan probably wouldn't have gotten as strong as he did. So the Androids would appear and it would be hard to tell how strong Goku would be by that point because he would have entered the TB's more frequently since there was no need to take all the time to repair the TB ring. You know I feel like I'm talking in circles but from here on out it would be really hard to tell what would happen. Without Freeza Cell might not be as strong though.

[DBZ Mick]

Goku was not a Alien at the time when the Manga was being made, so he could never transform. I don't think he was strong enough to transform into a SSj at the time, if he did then he could have beat Piccolo Daimao without that much effort.

But it was at least clear that he wasn't human.

[FEMALE-GOKU 23]

Then it wouldn't be called dragonball/z/gt anymore because Kami died .

[Ringworm128]

Kuririn being killed by Tambourine, just like when he was an adult.

Not necessarily Goku turned SSJ after Piccolo and all the other Namekians were wasted by Freeza. Also Freeza killing Vegeta while he was down may have helped. Combined with Goku's frustration of knowing he can't beat Freeza makes one tense Goku. Krillins death was simply the final push.

[SylentEcho]

SSJ definitely has a power requirement. I feel Trunks and Goten could go SSJ because they reached the same level of power that Goku did while he battled Freeza.

The series would have sucked if he could go SSJ from the Piccolo Daimou arc. IF that were the case, the Raditz should have been SSJ2 and Vegeta should have been SSJ3 and the last villain.

[Piccolo Daimao]

Goku was not a Alien at the time when the Manga was being made, so he could never transform. I don't think he was strong enough to transform into a SSj at the time, if he did then he could have beat Piccolo Daimao without that much effort.

But it was at least clear that he wasn't human.

No, the story portrayed him as an extremely gifted monkey-tailed young warrior. He didn't have to be non-Earthling to have a monkey's tail and the power that he had, especially considering the Dragon World and its inhabitants (e.g. a dog as the King of the World, Oolong, Pu'ar, Turtle, dinosaurs as pets, Capsules, flying cars, etc.).

[CatouttaHell]

No, the story portrayed him as an extremely gifted monkey-tailed young warrior. He didn't have to be non-Earthling to have a monkey's tail and the power that he had, especially considering the Dragon World and its inhabitants (e.g. a dog as the King of the World, Oolong, Pu'ar, Turtle, dinosaurs as pets, Capsules, flying cars, etc.).

And the story was way better before he suddenly became a Saiya-jin IMO. I really don't understand this whole "explain anything strange with aliens" bullshit anyway. Why couldn't Goku just be an incredible, monkey-tailed boy instead of some alien? Why can't Tenshinhan just have all of his crazy abilities because he's an extremely gifted martial artist instead of an descendant of aliens, as the Daizenshuu says he is? Maybe Buruma should be explained as a descendant of purple-haired genius inventor aliens?

[Piccolo Daimao]

No, the story portrayed him as an extremely gifted monkey-tailed young warrior. He didn't have to be non-Earthling to have a monkey's tail and the power that he had, especially considering the Dragon World and its inhabitants (e.g. a dog as the King of the World, Oolong, Pu'ar, Turtle, dinosaurs as pets, Capsules, flying cars, etc.).

And the story was way better before he suddenly became a Saiya-jin IMO. I really don't understand this whole "explain anything strange with aliens" bullshit anyway. Why couldn't Goku just be an incredible, monkey-tailed boy instead of some alien? Why can't Tenshinhan just have all of his crazy abilities because he's an extremely gifted martial artist instead of an descendant of aliens, as the Daizenshuu says he is? Maybe Buruma should be explained as a descendant of purple-haired genius inventor aliens?

Well, I don't think it was specifically Goku being revealed as an alien that made the story any worse (or better), although I do agree that the story was better pre-Saiyan arc.

I guess Toriyama needed ways to advance the story in interesting ways. I'm not sure if it was a case of "explain anything strange with aliens". Kuririn, Oolong and Chaozu didn't need to have their strange characteristics explained away as "alien" (although that may've because they weren't as central as characters like Goku and Piccolo).

For Tenshinhan, I completely agree. In the manga, he was just a three-eyed incredible martial artist who was able to do that stuff because he was such a gifted martial artist. In the Daizenshuu, they needlessly explained it away that he was a descendant of the generically named "Three-Eyed Clan", which was an explanation for his third eye and abilities to grow two arms and divide himself into four.

[FEMALE-GOKU 23]

They wouldn't think he's human any more because first the monkey tail then going super saiyan? as a kid it'd be hard to find his species untill he grow up and raditz came ......... pretty much that's what I think.

[Thanos]

[The Time Traveller]

I thought Toriyama planned for him to be an alien for a while before Raditz showed up... not sure where I got that idea though.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I thought Toriyama planned for him to be an alien for a while before Raditz showed up... not sure where I got that idea though.

Perhaps you were thinking of Piccolo. Toriyama had planned for Piccolo and God to be aliens around the time God was introduced, which explains the language they were using at the 23rd TB, later revealed to be Namekian.

[FEMALE-GOKU 23]

Is that ssj goku jr.?

[dbgtFO]

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/drago ... ku_SSJ.jpg

Is that ssj goku jr.?

No, it's GT Goku.

[Goten Forever]

In one of my fanfictions I created the story of Trunks and Goten's supersaiyan transformation.

What happened is when they were toddlers they chased each other off a cliff and neither could fly so Goten ended up transforming without realising.
Then Trunks being Trunks, he ran back to the top of the cliff and jumped down again so that he could join the clan. It worked too. xD
Well generally my version is the desperate need for the transformation and a unique understanding or talent with Ki, which could explain why Goku took so long to transform whilst his and Vegeta's offspring changed in early childhood - Trunks and Goten were brought up around people going SSJ all the time from pregnancy so it must have been a case of copycat with them.
Or some other kick-start. Very strong emotions are usually the key. Gohan's humiliation, Goku's anger, Vegeta's humiliation (as well as Gohan's), Mirai Trunks' vendetta. Hah, Broly's madness. (In my fic's case it could be Fear.)

So the transformation is brought about by strong emotion and a certain outlook to Ki.
If Goku developed this outlook he would have transformed when Kuririn died the first time, or possibly another time iif he wasn't emotionally attached to him as he was in Namek.

[NECPS]

Kuririn being killed by Tambourine, just like when he was an adult.

He is a super saiya-jin here alright.
Just never realise that.
Toriyama clearly meant to, even if he
was not into ideas of transformation.

It comes that, it is not a power requeriment needed,
but a way to control it to keep it up.

And that is what was just said in the series over the
development of the forms.

[Goten Forever]

Clearly he is super saiyan there. See Frieza in the background?
The fact Tori didn't know? Oh, it doesn't matter. Characters regularly get out of their creator's control.

xD

[Kroni_Hunter]

I refuse to believe that a Saiyan can become SSJ just from an intense emotional moment. Either there is a power requirement or you need to have a naturally really intense spirit. I tend to go with the power requirement because I just don't see Goten or Trunks as "intense spirits". Then again, they could have a half-breed exeption.

[Attitudefan]

Vegeta was angry and intense but could not transform, same goes for ALL the other Saiyans who feel emotion. It was a gift, it was the power and understanding of ki. So there's no way it was just because of intense emotion. There needs to be a reserve of strength. For the kids, it is because they are half breeds. Nappa and Vegeta state that Earthlings and Saiyans create some kind of Super Saiyan.

Anyways, becoming a Super Saiyan is about the amount of strength and ki one has brought on by some kind of trigger.