Your inside "fanon" things

[Saimaroimaru]

I think Goten and Trunks can go Super Saiyan 2 but since the emphasis was on Gotenks and the series pretty much skipped over to SSJ3, SSJ2 was never shown by Gotenks or his material due to probably being viewed as unnecessary. Then again when they were powerin up in fusion training, it look like they were SSJ2's.

[CatouttaHell]

I think Goten and Trunks can go Super Saiyan 2

They can in GT.

[DBZ Mick]

I cut out certain filler to help the story flow better if need be.

[Hellspawn28]

I think Goten and Trunks can go Super Saiyan 2

They can in GT.

I don't remember them ever going past SSj1 at all in GT ?

[Travis Touchdown]

It's confusing. They each have moments in GT where they power up and are accompanied by an electrical storm, which used to be the telltale trait of SSJ2 when you couldn't really tell if their hair grew or not, but that isn't the case anymore.

There's "official" statements where Toei said everybody goes SSJ2 in GT, and others that say SSJ2 doesn't make an appearance in GT. Both can be contradicted at some point.

After reading arguments presented, I decided to go with that they can go SSJ2. Might as well. Doesn't really hurt or affect anything since the villains are mostly all in the SSJ4 level of strength anyway.

[Xyex]

Hell, why not?

• No (natural) base Saiya-jin ever surpasses Freeza's full power.
• "MSSJ" is a 100x increase, instead of 50x. And while I agree with the SEG that SSJ2 is 2x SSJ1 I don't agree about 4x SSJ2 for SSJ3. That's 1.5x. Golden Oozaru is 500x base (standard SSJxOozaru), SSJ4 is 1,000x base (MSSJxOozaru).
• On that note, SSJ4 isn't an actual "Super Saiya-jin" level, but more like a Super Oozaru 2 (with the Golden Oozaru being Super Oozaru 1).
• Also, SSJ4/SO2 Gogeta is actually an SSJ5/SO3
• Movies 9 and 13, and the Jump Special, at least happened in the anime. DBO happens in/after both the anime and the manga. Movie 7 is an alternate timeline of the series (likely the past that the Trunks that Cell killed in the future visited). The other movies and GT are just what-if stories that never happened (Garlic Jr. and his saga included).
• The anime version of the Trunks special supersedes the manga version.
• Tien is stronger than Killin and Yamcha by the Buu Saga.
• Tien and Yamcha know the Kaioken and Spirit Bomb and the mechanics of the Kaioken (and possibly the Spirit Bomb) were used by Tien to Shin Kikoho.
• No one ever matches, let alone passes, the speed of light.

There's probably more, I just can't think of them at the moment.

[Sshadow5001]

Goten and Trunks' great power comes from Super Saiyan Super Sperm

No seriously this makes sense to me.

[dbgtFO]

Goten and Trunks' great power comes from Super Saiyan Super Sperm

No seriously this makes sense to me.

It also makes sense to me.

[Drabaz]

Goten and Trunks' great power comes from Super Saiyan Super Sperm

No seriously this makes sense to me.

It also makes sense to me.

But then how does that make sense with Trunks? I always had a theory that Saiyans could only transform into SSJ once they reproduced with an earthling. And that since Gohan, Goten, and Trunks were part earthling, they could transform too. You can't prove me wrong . (Canon wise, you can't prove me wrong.)

[dbgtFO]

Goten and Trunks' great power comes from Super Saiyan Super Sperm

No seriously this makes sense to me.

It also makes sense to me.

But then how does that make sense with Trunks?

What do you mean?

[Xyex]

It also makes sense to me.

But then how does that make sense with Trunks?

What do you mean?

He means that Trunks couldn't have recieved Super Siaya-jin sperm because Vegeta couldn't become a Super Saiya-jin until after he banged Bulma. (If you take his theory, anyway.)

[Drabaz]

^ Correct. But isn't it fact that Trunks was conceived before Vegeta turned into a SSJ? I might be mistaken, but that's what I remember.

[Xyex]

We're never told when Vegeta achieved SSJ. Some think it was mere hours before arriving on Earth to fight the Androids (which was why he was late) but I'm not one of them. He had control over the transformation by the time he got there, so he's had it for a while. I'm of the camp that Trunks (at least in the main timeline) is the result of Vegeta celebrating obtaining SSJ.

[Travis Touchdown]

I always thought of the situations like this;
FUTURE TIMELINE: Vegeta reaches Super Saiyan eventually but not until after Trunks was conceived. The reason being, he just stuck to his regular training regime in order to defeat Goku. Since it happened after Trunks was conceived, Trunks had to work for it like everyone else.

MAIN TIMELINE: With the warning that he'll die fighting the Androids, as well as never get his rematch with Goku, Vegeta trained many times harder. Seeing 2 Super Saiyans motivated him to reach the form even moreso than his alternate counterpart and therefore achieved it before conceiving Trunks. Since it happened before Trunks was conceived, Trunks had it handed to him like Goten.

[Zephyr]

I like to think of it as a direct chain of events:

- Getting laid for the first time enabled him to turn SSJ
- Celebrates turning SSJ for the first time by knocking Bulma up

[dbgtFO]

I like to think of it as a direct chain of events:

- Getting laid for the first time enabled him to turn SSJ
- Celebrates turning SSJ for the first time by knocking Bulma up

I admit, I chuckled a little .
And Drabaz I agree with what Travis Touchdown said.

[Sshadow5001]

I always thought of the situations like this;
FUTURE TIMELINE: Vegeta reaches Super Saiyan eventually but not until after Trunks was conceived. The reason being, he just stuck to his regular training regime in order to defeat Goku. Since it happened after Trunks was conceived, Trunks had to work for it like everyone else.

MAIN TIMELINE: With the warning that he'll die fighting the Androids, as well as never get his rematch with Goku, Vegeta trained many times harder. Seeing 2 Super Saiyans motivated him to reach the form even moreso than his alternate counterpart and therefore achieved it before conceiving Trunks. Since it happened before Trunks was conceived, Trunks had it handed to him like Goten.

Yup pretty much this

[Michsi]

I always thought of the situations like this;
FUTURE TIMELINE: Vegeta reaches Super Saiyan eventually but not until after Trunks was conceived. The reason being, he just stuck to his regular training regime in order to defeat Goku. Since it happened after Trunks was conceived, Trunks had to work for it like everyone else.

MAIN TIMELINE: With the warning that he'll die fighting the Androids, as well as never get his rematch with Goku, Vegeta trained many times harder. Seeing 2 Super Saiyans motivated him to reach the form even moreso than his alternate counterpart and therefore achieved it before conceiving Trunks. Since it happened before Trunks was conceived, Trunks had it handed to him like Goten.

I agree with this. Frankly I think he had reached SSJ level well over a year before the androinds came.

[Piccolo Daimao]

I always thought of the situations like this;
FUTURE TIMELINE: Vegeta reaches Super Saiyan eventually but not until after Trunks was conceived. The reason being, he just stuck to his regular training regime in order to defeat Goku. Since it happened after Trunks was conceived, Trunks had to work for it like everyone else.

MAIN TIMELINE: With the warning that he'll die fighting the Androids, as well as never get his rematch with Goku, Vegeta trained many times harder. Seeing 2 Super Saiyans motivated him to reach the form even moreso than his alternate counterpart and therefore achieved it before conceiving Trunks. Since it happened before Trunks was conceived, Trunks had it handed to him like Goten.

Agreed. Basically, in the future timeline, Vegeta didn't have SSj when Trunks was concieved, which is why Trunks had to work for it. In the main timeline, Vegeta did when Trunks was concieved because he was working harder, which is why Trunks had it handed to him.

[Saimaroimaru]

That Dodoria and Zarbon are of the same race except unlike Zarbon, Dodoria does not care about looking good so he stays in his transformed state.