Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kirby456]

interesting. I definitely think you should continue, good job so far I'm interested to see your Cell Games numbers SSJ4_Zankuto. Its good to see other theories out there.

[Kiyza]

Piccolo Without Weights Warming up = 314 (max with Weights = 307)
- Demon Wave = 376
- Giant = 408 (super slow)
- Super Giant = 532 (super super slow)
- Without Weights Full Power = 338

Kame Sennin does make a point of saying that Piccolo's giant form doesn't actually decrease speed, and there's really nothing to contradict that. Just thought I'd point that out.

[Kirby456]

Piccolo Without Weights Warming up = 314 (max with Weights = 307)
- Demon Wave = 376
- Giant = 408 (super slow)
- Super Giant = 532 (super super slow)
- Without Weights Full Power = 338

Kame Sennin does make a point of saying that Piccolo's giant form doesn't actually decrease speed, and there's really nothing to contradict that. Just thought I'd point that out.

Oh, well i could be wrong on that. Ill lower him in his giant form. But its definitely hard for him to move around in his giant form. Thanks for pointing that out.

[Kirby456]

Here are my numbers for the Buu Saga (anime). Also id like to say thanks again to Cauotta Hell for inspiring my Buu Saga numbers with his awesome power level list.

Great Saiyman Saga

Goku = 23,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 1,725,000,000

Vegeta = 20,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 1,500,000,000

Kid Trunks = 12,950,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 971,500,000

Gohan = 12,400,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 930,000,000
- Base Trained = 12,900,000
- Trained Mastered Super Saiyan = 965,700,000

Piccolo With Weights = 950,000,000
- Trained With Weights = 967,700,000

Goten = 12,400,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 930,000,000
- Base Trained = 12,900,000
- Trained Mastered Super Saiyan = 965,700,000

Videl = 7.23
- Post Learning how to fly = 8.56

Red Shark Gang Boss = 7.90

Red Shark Gang Member 1 = 5.46

Red Shark Gang Member 2 = 5.34

25th Budokai/on Babidis ship/Majin Buu awakens

Goku Super Saiyan 2 = 3,450,000,000
- Super Saiyan 3 holding back = 10,800,000,000

Majin Boo Fat = 10,790,000,000
- holding back against Vegeta = 6,948,000,000

Vegeta Super Saiyan 2 = 3,000,000,000
- Majin Super Saiyan 2 = 3,459,000,000
- explosion = 6,918,000,000

Dabura = 1,950,000,000

Gohan = 12,950,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 971,250,000
- Super Saiyan 2 = 1,943,900,000

Piccolo With Weights holding back against Supreme Kai = 450,000,000
- Without Weights Unseen Full Power = 1,100,000,000

Kid Trunks = 13,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 975,000,000

Goten = 12,950,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 971,250,000

Supreme Kai = 550,000,000

Yakon = 40,000,000 (not sure)

Kibito = 12,400,000

Pui Pui = 5000

Babidi with Magic = 1000

Yamu = 33

Spopovich = 8.56

Videl = 8.56

Pintar = 6.56

Jewel = 5.28

Killah = 5.23

Ikosa = 2.56

Fusion Saga

Vegito = 64,000,000,000 not true power
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 512,000,000,000 about 2% of true power

Majin Boo angry to the point of splitting = 16,000,000,000
- Evil Boo =10,000,000,000
- Good Boo = 6,000,000,000
- Super Boo = 16,000,000,000
- Bootenks = 32,000,000,000
- Piccolo Buu = 17,100,000,000
- Boohan = 64,100,000,000

Mystic Gohan = 26,000,000,000

Gotenks Super Saiyan 1 = 3,000,000,000
- Super Saiyan 1 Post ROSAT = 4,000,000,000
- Super Saiyan 3 = 16,000,000,000

Goku Super Saiyan 3 on earth = 14,000,000,000

Vegeta Super Saiyan 2 = 3,500,000,000 (got a ton of Zenkai when he died)

Piccolo With Weights = 975,250,000
- Without Weights Full Power = 1,100,000,000

Goten Post ROSAT = 13,400,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan Post ROSAT = 1,005,000,000

Kid Trunks Post ROSAT = 13,390,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan Post ROSAT = 1,004,250,000

Dende = 60

Mr Satan = 7.77

Van Zant = 4.98

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

interesting. I definitely think you should continue, good job so far I'm interested to see your Cell Games numbers SSJ4_Zankuto. Its good to see other theories out there.

I've got a good feedback thanks, i'm beginning to work on the Android/Cell Saga at the moment. I need to know where to put Piccolo (Android) and some say he's stronger than No.20 before w/o weights.

Just for example:

Piccolo - 100,000,000
(w/o Weights) - 180,000,000

No.20 (Piccolo's Ki Absorption) - 170,000,000

EDIT - Just saw kaboom's PL it seems Piccolo is suppressed the entire time. I think, i've got Piccolo (w/o Weights) > Piccolo (Suppressed) < No.20. Thanks Kaboom got little help from your power levels on Piccolo vs No.20.

[Kirby456]

interesting. I definitely think you should continue, good job so far I'm interested to see your Cell Games numbers SSJ4_Zankuto. Its good to see other theories out there.

I've got a good feedback thanks, i'm beginning to work on the Android/Cell Saga at the moment. I need to know where to put Piccolo (Android) and some say he's stronger than No.20 before w/o weights.

Just for example:

Piccolo - 100,000,000
(w/o Weights) - 180,000,000

No.20 (Piccolo's Ki Absorption) - 170,000,000

EDIT - Just saw kaboom's PL it seems Piccolo is suppressed the entire time. I think, i've got Piccolo (w/o Weights) > Piccolo (Suppressed) < No.20. Thanks Kaboom got little help from your power levels on Piccolo vs No.20.

No problem. Sounds good. I cant wait to see them.

[Kirby456]

Now for the end of Z.

Kid Buu Saga

Goku Super Saiyan 3 Tired = 13,000,000,000
- Super Saiyan 3 Other world Boost Full Power= 16,000,000,000
- Spirt Bomb = 100,000,000,000

Kid Boo Holding back = 14,000,000,000
- Full Power = 17,000,000,000

Fat Boo Good = 6,000,000,000

Vegeta Super Saiyan 2 Other World Boost = 3,600,000,000

Kibito Kai = 3,300,000,000

27th Budokai

Goku = 120,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 9,000,000,000

Vegeta = 100,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 7,500,000,000

Fat Boo Good = 6,000,000,000

Piccolo With Weights = 2,250,000,000
- Without Weights Unseen Full Power = 2,750,000,000

Goten = 14,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 1,050,000,000

Uub = 16
- attacking Goku = 90,000,000

Pan = 15,000,000

Wild Tiger = 6.45

[SSJ4_Zankuto]

DBZ - Andorid Saga Power Levels

Son Goku (Sick) - 12,000,000
[25x]
(Super Saiya-jin) - 240,000,000

No.19 - 50,000,000
(Kamehameha Absorpion) - 150,000,000
(Goku's Ki Absorpion) - 152,800,000

Vegeta - 20,000,000
[20x]
(Super Saiya-jin) - 400,000,000

No.20 - 90,000,000
(Piccolo's Ki Absorpion) - 190,000,000

Piccolo - 10,000,000
(w/o Weights) - 225,000,000

Kuririn - 125,000

Tenshinhan - 200,000

Yamcha - 140,000

Son Gohan - 3,275,000

No.18 - 425,000,000

No.17 - 475,000,000

DBZ - Imperfect Cell Saga Power Levels

Piccolo - 10,000,000
(Kamiccolo) - 200,000,000
(I'm the Namek) - 475,000,000
(Full Power) - 490,000,000
(Worn Out) - 455,000,000

Imperfect Cell - 450,000,000
(Life Energy/Powered Up) - 520,000,000
(Semi-Perfect Cell) - 700,000,000

No.16 - 518,000,000

Tenshinhan's (Shin-Kikioho!) - 550,000,000


DBZ Perfect Cell Saga Power Levels

Vegeta (Post-Rosat) - 85,000,000
[8x]
(Super Saiya-jin) - 680,000,000
[3x]
(Super Vegeta) - 2,040,000,000
(Final Flash) - 3,080,000,000

Trunks (Post-Roast) - 84,375,000
[8x]
675,000,000
[3x]
(Super Trunks) - 2,025,000,000
[1.5x]
(Super Trunks 2) - 3,037,500,000

Semi-Perfect Cell - 700,000,000
(Powered Up) - 1,000,000,000
(Perfect Cell) - 3,000,000,000


DBZ Cell Games Saga Power Levels

Son Goku (Post Rosat) - 2,800,000,000
[2.5x]
(Full-Powered Super Saiya-jin) - 7,000,000,000
(Shunkun Ido Kamehameha) - 8,000,000,000
(Worn Out) - 2,300,000,000

Perfect Cell - 3,000,000,000
(Powered Up) - 7,250,000,000
(Full Power) - 15,000,000,000
(USSJ Cell) - 25,000,000,000
(Super Perfect Cell) - 30,000,000,000
(Solar Kamehameha) - 40,000,000,000

Cell Jr - 2,600,000,000

Vegeta (2nd Post Rosat) - 312,500,000
[8x]
(Super Saiya-jin) - 2,500,000,000

Trunks (2nd Post Rosat) - 310,000,000
[8x]
(Super Saiya-jin) - 2,480,000,000

Piccolo (Post Rosat) - 2,450,000,000

Son Gohan (Post Rosat) - 3,020,000,000
[2.5x]
(Full-Powered Super Saiya-jin) - 7,550,000,000
[4x]
(Super Saiya-jin 2) - 30,200,000,000
(Injured) - 15,100,000,000
(Father-Son Kamehameha) - 40,000,000,000
(Father-Son Kamehameha/The Final Push) - 50,000,000,000

I've recently finished the Android/Cell Saga power levels, and I must say the numbers look good. I displayed the Super Saiya-jin Multiplier in bold.

[Kirby456]

Really good list SSJ4_Zankuto. Good job.

Now for my power levels of the specials.

Plan to eradicate the Super Saiyans

Hatchiyack = 3,150,000,000

Dr Rachi = 650,000,000

Goku Mastered Super Saiyan = 637,000,000

Gohan Mastered Super Saiyan = 622,500,000

Ghost Cooler = 550,000,000

Vegeta Super Saiyan Grade 2 = 481,000,000

Future Trunks Super Saiyan Grade 2 = 474,500,000

Piccolo Without Weights Full Power = 462,000,000

Ghost Frieza = 460,000,000

Ghost Turles = 450,000,000

Ghost Lord Slug = 443,000,000

Ghost Warrios = 300,000,000 - 340,000,000

[Kirby456]

My Dragon Ball Gt Power levels. These are under construction and have a fair amount of errors.

Black Star Dragon Ball Saga

Heroes

Goku = 38,000,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan Full Power = 2,850,000,000,000

Trunks = 90,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 6,750,000,000

Pan = 1,500,000,000
- Enraged Full Power = 6,500,000,000

Villains

General Rildo = 31,000,000,000
- 2nd form Drill Rildo suppressed = 40,000,000,000
- Full Power Drill Rildo = 78,000,000,000
- Meta Rildo Full Power = 2,200,000,000,000

Sigma Force = 2,000,000,000 or so

Nate = 940,000,000

2 servants of Don Kee = 30,000,000

Don Kee = 6

Anti Heroes

Ledgic Holding back = 27,000,000,000
- Full Power = 81,000,000,000

Bebi Saga

Heroes

Goku Post Kibito Kai training = 98,000,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 7,350,000,000,000
- Super Saiyan 4 = 90,000,000,000,000

Vegeta = 80,000,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 6,000,000,000,000
- Super Saiyan 2 = 12,000,000,000,000

Uub = 34,000,000,000
- Super Uub (Uub plus Majin Boo good) = 8,000,000,000,000

Gohan = 28,000,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan Full Power = 2,100,000,000,000
- Post Bebi Mastered Super Saiyan = 3,000,000,000,000

Piccolo With Weights Suppressed = 32,000,000,000
- Without Weights Unseen Full Power = 84,000,000,000

Goten = 98,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 7,350,000,000
- Post Bebi Mastered Super Saiyan = 16,100,000,000

Trunks = 97,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 7,300,000,000
- Post Bebi Mastered Super Saiyan = 16,000,000,000

Pan enraged full power = 6,530,000,000

Kibito Kai = 3,300,000,000

Villains

Bebi Vegeta = 160,000,000,000
- Mastered Super Saiyan = 12,000,000,000,000
- Super Saiyan 2 Bebi Vegeta = 16,000,000,000,000
- Super Saiyan 3 = 64,000,000,000,000
- Bebi Gohan Mastered Super Saiyan Full Power = 2,850,000,000,000

[CatouttaHell]

You have Gohan way too high IMO. Base Gohan = SSjin Goten and Base Goku >>> SSjin Gohan was shown in the Bebi Arc. Also GT Base Gohan >>> Mr. Boo is implied by the instance where he's about to fire a Ki blast to kill him until Baby tells him to stop. Also, you forgot to put numbers for SSjin 2 and SSjin 3 Goku (the first appeared against Rild and the second against Baby,) just saying. And Goku never got stronger from Rou Kaioshin's "training."

Also I personally think you really overestimate Don Kee as he's never implied to be anything but regular trash but to each their own. Great numbers either way. I'll post up my own GT numbers once I'm finished redoing them.

[Kirby456]

You have Gohan way too high IMO. Base Gohan = SSjin Goten and Base Goku >>> SSjin Gohan was shown in the Bebi Arc. Also GT Base Gohan >>> Mr. Boo is implied by the instance where he's about to fire a Ki blast to kill him until Baby tells him to stop. Also, you forgot to put numbers for SSjin 2 and SSjin 3 Goku (the first appeared against Rild and the second against Baby,) just saying. And Goku never got stronger from Rou Kaioshin's "training."

Also I personally think you really overestimate Don Kee as he's never implied to be anything but regular trash but to each their own. Great numbers either way. I'll post up my own GT numbers once I'm finished redoing them.

Thanks dude!. Ill have to edit it, my GT list has a lot of errors. Ill lower Don kee to, i just figure he had to be at least above Videl/ Satan due to him surviving a kick from Ledgic.

[CatouttaHell]

Most people just ignore the majority of GT's feats because they're "too haxed." Which would explain how the heck some people think Gohan-Boo is a top tier character by GT standards. GT's powers are all implied to be ridiculously bloated. I follow every feat/statement in GT and despite trying to keep things low I currently have GT Goku 20x stronger than Vegetto (my numbers thus far are on my list thread on Neoseeker.)

I like your idea of having Gohan stronger after Baby possessed him. Things make more sense if you just assume that Gohan while Baby himself (not his egg) was in him was powered up greatly. If Gohan-Baby = Gohan then you end up having a GT Base Goku >=< SSjin 2 Vegeta situation, which is just ridiculous.

Also, Redjic wasn't trying to kill Don Kee at all. IMO him kicking him was the same kind of situation as Gohan hitting the possessed Chichi in the Garlic Jr Arc. They wanted to hurt them but they obviously held back 99.999% of their power while doing it. Just my opinion but I don't think Don Kee is even stronger than Videl. He just came off as some uselessly weak guy who is only important because he's in a position of power, not because he has any real strength.

[Kirby456]

Most people just ignore the majority of GT's feats because they're "too haxed." Which would explain how the heck some people think Gohan-Boo is a top tier character by GT standards. GT's powers are all implied to be ridiculously bloated. I follow every feat/statement in GT and despite trying to keep things low I currently have GT Goku 20x stronger than Vegetto (my numbers thus far are on my list thread on Neoseeker.)

I like your idea of having Gohan stronger after Baby possessed him. Things make more sense if you just assume that Gohan while Baby himself (not his egg) was in him was powered up greatly. If Gohan-Baby = Gohan then you end up having a GT Base Goku >=< SSjin 2 Vegeta situation, which is just ridiculous.

Also, Redjic wasn't trying to kill Don Kee at all. IMO him kicking him was the same kind of situation as Gohan hitting the possessed Chichi in the Garlic Jr Arc. They wanted to hurt them but they obviously held back 99.999% of their power while doing it. Just my opinion but I don't think Don Kee is even stronger than Videl. He just came off as some uselessly weak guy who is only important because he's in a position of power, not because he has any real strength.

I agree thanks man!. I'm going to lower Don Kee i agree with you man. Can i post my battle stats here?.

[Kirby456]

Here are my battle stats for dragon ball/dragon ball z. Based on the anime mostly and some on the Manga.

Overall power is different from battle power. For example one character could have a higher overall power then another character but still be a ton weaker and lose in a fight. For example say A has a battle power of 56 and B has a battle power of 55 yet Bs overall power is much much higher. The to will still be even in battle.

Cell Games

Good

Gohan Super Saiyan 1/Super Saiyan 2

- Speed = 590,000,Super Saiyan 2 = 1,080,000
- Strength = 860,000,Super Saiyan 2 = 1,720,000
- Durability = 95,000,180,000
- Total Battle Power = 1,545,000,Super Saiyan 2 = 2,895,000,Injured Super Saiyan 2 = 2,500,000

- Other
- Magic = 16 (can use some physics)
- Physic Power = 190
- Fighting Skill = 84
- Battle Cruelty = 28
- Physic Power = 200
- Can use telekinesis = 200

- Overall = 2,518,000,Super Saiyan 2 = 6,436,000

Goku Super Saiyan 1

- Speed = 570,000
- Strength = 830,000
- Durability = 105,000
- Total Battle Power = 1,505,000,Injured Super Saiyan 1 = 490,000

- Other
- Magic = 140 (can use some physics)
- Physic Power = 500
- Fighting Skill = 200
- Battle Cruelty = 30
- Physic Power = 320
- Can use telekinesis = 320

- Overall = 2,695,000

Future Trunks Super Saiyan 1
- Speed = 280,000
- Strength = 485,000
- Durability = 50,000
- Total Battle Power = 840,000

- Other
- Magic = 20 (can use some physics)
- Physic Power = 270
- Fighting Skill = 108
- Battle Cruelty = 48
- Physic Power = 260
- Can use telekinesis = 260

- Overall = 1,288,000

Vegeta Super Saiyan 1

- Speed = 308,000
- Strength = 470,000
- Durability = 60,000
- Total Battle Power = 838,000

- Other
- Magic = 20 (can use some Physics)
- Physic Power = 280
- Fighting Skill = 102
- Battle Cruelty = 100
- Physic Power = 220
- Can use telekinesis = 220

- Overall = 1,340,000

Piccolo Post ROSAT
- Speed = 300,000
- Strength = 450,000
- Durability = 50,000
- Total Battle Power = 800,000

- Other =
- Magic = 30 (can use some physics)
- Physic Power = 300
- Can use telekinesis = 300
- Battle Cruelty = 50
- Fighting Skill = 108

- Overall = 1,288,000

Android 16 Repaired
- Speed = 60,000
- Strength = 90,000
- Durability = 15,000
- Total Battle Power = 165,000

Other
- Unlimited energy = 6000
- Fighting Skill = 70 (decent)

- Overall = 171,700

Evil

Perfect Cell/Super Perfect Cell

- Speed = 700,000,Super Perfect = 900,000
- Strength = 1,100,000,Super Perfect = 1,300,000
- Durability = 200,000,Super Perfect = 350,000
- Total Battle Power = Perfect Cell Full Power = 2,000,000, Super Perfect Cell = 2,550,000

- Other
- Magic = 105 (can use some physics)
- Fighting Skill = 400
- Battle Cruelty = 300
- Fighting Skill = 210
- Physic Power = 400
- Can use telekinesis = 400

- Overall = Perfect Cell 3,955,000,Super Perfect Cell = 6,950,000

Cell Juniors

- Speed = 350,000
- Strength = 435,000
- Durability = 85,000
- Total Battle Power = 845,000

- Other
- Magic = 40 (can use some physics)
- Physic Power = 300
- Fighting Skill = 120
- Battle Cruelty = 300
- Fighting Skill = 108
- Physic Power = 300
- Can use telekinesis = 300

- Overall = 2,115,000

[Nineteen]

Who do you all think was the first character to hit 1,000,000,000? For my money, it was initial Perfect Cell.

[dbgtFO]

Who do you all think was the first character to hit 1,000,000,000? For my money, it was initial Perfect Cell.

Super Saiyan Vegeta during his transformation to Super Vegeta is the first one to display a power above 1 billion on the power level scale going by my latest levels.

But it's just as possible that they surpassed it way earlier than that or way later.

[CatouttaHell]

Who do you all think was the first character to hit 1,000,000,000? For my money, it was initial Perfect Cell.

By my current numbers (I redid them so the ones I posted in this thread are outdated) I have everyone until Cell Games SSjin Goku under a billion.

[Kaboom]

Who do you all think was the first character to hit 1,000,000,000? For my money, it was initial Perfect Cell.

My latest lists have given that honor to "Super Vegeta."

[Rocketman]

Base Vegetto.