Official Unofficial Power Level Discussion Thread

[Kirby456]

I have USSJ2 Future Trunks breaking 1Bil first.

[CatouttaHell]

Here are my Dragon Ball Z movie levels. Some of the stuff may be wrong as I haven't really watched half of the movies in ages.

Dragon Ball Z Movie 1: Return my Gohan!!

Son Gokū
~ Weighted - 334
~ Unweighted - 416

Piccolo
~ Weighted - 322
~ Unweighted - 408

Kami-sama - 300

Garlic Jr
~ Suppressed - 370
~ True Form - 530

Son Gohan
~ Enraged - 710
~ Base - 1

Nikki
~ Transformed - 280
~ Base - 200

Sansho - 240

Ginger
~ Transformed - 280
~ Base - 200

Kuririn - 206

Gyumao - 97

Chichi - 137

Dragon Ball Z Movie 2: The World's Strongest Guy

Son Gokū
~ Kaio-ken x3 - 24,000
~ Kaio-ken x2 - 16,000
~ Kaio-ken - 12,000
~ Base - 8,000

Doctor Uiro - 18,000

Piccolo - 7,000

Son Gohan - 1,500

Kuririn - 1,770

Muten Roshi
~ Toei-Haxed - 5,000
~ Base - 139

Robotic Saibaimen Things - 1,200

Dr. Kochin - 2,000

Misokattsun - 4,000
Kishime - 6,000
Ebifurya - 6,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 3: Super Deciding Battle for the Entire Planet Earth

Son Gokū
~ Genki Dama II - 1,500,000
~ Genki Dama I - 50,000
~ Kaio-ken x10 - 350,000
~ Base - 35,000

Tullece
~ Shinseijuu Power-up II - 1,000,000
~ Shinseijuu Power-up - 500,000
~ Initial - 30,000

Piccolo - 18,000

Son Gohan - 10,000

Tenshinhan - 9,015
Kuririn - 8,850
Yamucha - 7,400
Chaozu - 5,000

Amond - 28,000
Daiz - 22,000
Kacao - 21,000
Rakasei - 12,000
Rezin - 12,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 4: Super Saiya-jin Son Gokū

Son Gokū
~ Genki Dama - 600,000
~ Kaio-ken x2 - 330,000
~ Powered-up - 165,000
~ FSSjin - 270,000
~ Base - 90,000

Lord Slug
~ Giant - 270,000
~ Young - 180,000
~ Old - 120,000

Piccolo - 75,000

Angira - 60,000

Medamtacha - 50,000

Dorodabo - 30,000

Kuririn - 17,700

Son Gohan - 15,000

Lord Slug's Henchmen - 50

Dragon Ball Z Movie 5: The Incredible Mightiest vs. Mightiest

Son Gokū
~ SSjin - 7,500,000,000
~ Kaio-ken x20 - 3,000,000,000
~ Base - 150,000,000

Coola
~ Fifth Form - 5,000,000,000
~ True Form - 120,000,000

Sauza - 170,000
Neiz - 163,000
Dore - 185,000

Son Gohan - 150,000

Kuririn - 120,000

Piccolo - 10,000,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 6: Clash!! 10,000,000,000 Powerful Warriors

Son Gokū
~ SSjin - 8,000,000,000
~ Kaio-ken x20 - 3,200,000,000
~ Base - 160,000,000

Vegeta
~ SSjin - 8,000,000,000
~ Base - 160,000,000

Metal Coola
~ Powered Up Again - 14,000,000,000
~ Powered Up - 11,000,000,000
~ Initial - 8,000,000,000

Robots - 1,000,000

Son Gohan - 6,000,000

Kuririn - 5,000,000

Kamiccolo - 260,000,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 7: Extreme Battle!! The Three Great Super Saiyans

Son Gokū
~ Infused with Genki Dama - 400,000,000
~ SSjin - 200,000,000
~ Base - 4,000,000

Vegeta
~ SSjin - 200,000,000
~ Base - 4,000,000

Trunks
~ SSjin - 170,000,000
~ Base - 3,400,000

Piccolo - 175,000,000

#15 - 30,000,000
#14 - 30,000,000
#13 - 200,000,000
Super #13 - 260,000,000

Kuririn - 5,000,000

Son Gohan - 6,000,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 8: Burn Up!! A Close, Intense, Super-Fierce Battle

Broly
~ LSSjin - 1,700,000,000
~ SSjin - 850,000,000
~ Base - 17,000,000

Son Gokū
~ SSjin - 800,000,000
~ Base - 16,000,000

Son Gohan
~ SSjin - 500,000,000
~ Base - 10,000,000

Piccolo - 720,000,000

Vegeta
~ USSjin - 650,000,000
~ SSjin - 500,000,000
~ Base - 10,000,000

Trunks
~ USSjin - 687,500,000
~ SSjin - 550,000,000
~ Base - 11,000,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 9: Galaxy at the Brink!! The Super Incredible Guy

Son Gokū
~ SSjin - 1,400,000,000
~ Base - 28,000,000

Bojack
~ Initial - 800,000,000
~ Powered Up - 1,000,000,000
~ Transformed - 1,800,000,000

Zangya - 850,000,000
Bido - 550,000,000
Bujin - 500,000,000

Gokua
~ Transformed - 300,000,000
~ Base - 25,000,000

Son Gohan
~ Enraged - 4,050,000,000
~ SSjin 2 - 2,700,000,000
~ Enraged - 2,025,000,000
~ SSjin - 1,350,000,000
~ Base - 27,000,000

Vegeta
~ SSjin - 750,000,000
~ Base - 15,000,000

Trunks
~ SSjin - 750,000,000
~ Base - 15,000,000

Piccolo - 720,000,000

Tenshinhan - 30,000,000

Otoko-Okami - 30

Dragon Ball Z Movie 10: The Dangerous Duo! Super-Warriors Can't Rest

Broly
~ LSSjin - 3,500,000,000
~ SSjin - 1,750,000,000
~ Base - 35,000,000

Son Gokū
~ SSjin 2 - 4,200,000,000
~ SSjin - 2,100,000,000
~ Base - 42,000,000

Son Gohan
~ SSjin 2 - 2,700,000,000
~ SSjin - 1,350,000,000
~ Base - 27,000,000

Son Goten
~ SSjin - 900,000,000
~ Base - 18,000,000

Chibi Trunks
~ SSjin - 950,000,000
~ Base - 19,000,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 11: Super-Warrior Defeat!! I'm the One Who'll Win

Son Gokū
~ SSjin 2 - 4,200,000,000
~ SSjin - 2,100,000,000
~ Base - 42,000,000

Bio-Broly - 1,200,000,000

#18 - 259,000,000

Bio-Warriors - 10

Son Goten
~ SSjin - 900,000,000
~ Base - 18,000,000

Chibi Trunks
~ SSjin - 950,000,000
~ Base - 19,000,000

Mr. Satan - 6

Kuririn - 10,000,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 12: Fusion Reborn!! Goku and Vegeta

Son Gokū
~ SSjin 3 - 16,800,000,000
~ SSjin 2 - 4,200,000,000
~ SSjin - 2,100,000,000
~ Base - 42,000,000

Vegeta
~ SSjin 2 - 4,200,000,000
~ SSjin - 2,100,000,000
~ Base - 42,000,000

Janemba
~ Fat - 10,000,000,000
~ Transformed Initial - 20,000,000,000
~ Transformed, Full Power - 25,000,000,000

Gogeta
~ SSjin 3 - 320,000,000,000
~ SSjin 2 - 80,000,000,000
~ SSjin - 40,000,000,000
~ Base - 800,000,000

Freeza - 180,000,000

Ultimate Gohan - 23,000,000,000

Dragon Ball Z Movie 13: Dragon Fist Explosion!! If Goku Won't Do It, Who Will?

Son Gokū
~ SSjin 3 - 30,000,000,000
~ SSjin 2 - 7,500,000,000
~ SSjin - 3,750,000,000
~ Base - 75,000,000

Vegeta
~ SSjin 2 - 7,500,000,000
~ SSjin - 3,750,000,000
~ Base - 75,000,000

Ultimate Gohan - 10,000,000,000

Gotenks
~ SSjin 3 - 17,600,000,000
~ SSjin 2 - 4,400,000,000
~ SSjin - 2,200,000,000
~ Base - 44,000,000

Hildegarn
~ Transformed - 26,000,000,000
~ Base - 13,000,000,000

Tapion - 5,000,000

Hoi - 10

Son Goten
~ SSjin - 1,150,000,000
~ Base - 23,000,000

Chibi Trunks
~ SSjin - 1,100,000,000
~ Base - 22,000,000

[Kirby456]

Really good movie power levels CatouttaHell great job!. My new levels will be up soon.

[Kaboom]

I went back and re-re-tweaked my list on Page 44 again. Just a few minor adjustments for the Cell Games and Boo arc. Nothing too critical.

[CatouttaHell]

Okay here's my GT levels. I'm assuming that Son Goku compared General Rild to Mr. Boo and that he was talking about Metal Rild, not the General Rild that was even with his base form. I'm also ignoring every scene regarding the Base Saiya-jins because they make no sense (Base Goten giving SSjin Vegeta trouble, 'nuff said.) Much more sane this way if you ask me.

Let me know what I should change, etc.

I have Goku's SSjin 3 as a 1.5x multiplier because his Chibi body can't properly handle it. And I'm starting to really believe that SSjin 3 is a way of cheating to gain some of SSjin 4's power theory.

Baby Arc

Son Gokū
~ SSjin 4 - 108,000,000,000
~ Golden Ozaru - 72,000,000,000
~ SSjin 3 - 10,800,000,000
~ SSjin 2 - 7,200,000,000
~ SSjin - 3,600,000,000
~ Base - 72,000,000

Vegeta
~ SSjin 2 - 5,400,000,000
~ SSjin - 2,700,000,000
~ Base - 54,000,000

Trunks
~ SSjin - 1,800,000,000
~ Base - 36,000,000

Son Goten
~ SSjin - 1,250,000,000
~ Base - 25,000,000

Son Gohan
~ Baby Power-up - 3,600,000,000
~ SSjin - 2,100,000,000
~ Base - 42,000,000

Son Pan
~ Enraged - 39,000,000
~ Base - 26,000,000

Piccolo - 4,000,000,000

Baby
~ Adult - 60,000,000
~ Teenager - 40,000,000
~ Toddler - 26,000,000
~ Baby Form - 13,000,000

Mr. Boo - 3,600,000,000

Redjic
~ True power - 60,000,000
~ Suppressed - 90,000,000

Super Mega Cannon Sigma - 55,000,000
Neji - 25,000,000
Veise - 15,000,000
Rivet - 15,000,000
Nutt - 15,000,000

Dr. Mu - 1,000,000

Leon - 5,000

Dolltacki - 50

Lord Lood - 100,000,000

Mutchi Mutchi - 35,000,000

General Rild
~ Metal Rild - 3,640,000,000
~ Hyper Mega Rild - 130,000,000
~ Base - 65,000,000

Oob
~ Super Oob - 2,300,000,000
~ Post-Training - 150,000,000
~ Beginning of GT - 72,000,000

Vegeta-Baby
~ Vegeta-Baby - 11,000,000,000
~ Super Vegeta-Baby - 33,000,000,000
~ Super Vegeta-Baby II - 44,000,000,000
~ Golden Ozaru Vegeta-Baby - 110,000,000,000

Super #17 Arc

Son Gokū
~ SSjin 4 - 112,500,000,000
~ SSjin - 3,750,000,000
~ Base (Haxed) - ∞
~ Base - 75,000,000

Super #17
~ Post-Absorptions - 145,000,000,000
~ Initial - 4,800,000,000

Vegeta
~ Exhausted SSjin 2 - 4,000,000,000
~ SSjin 2 - 6,000,000,000
~ SSjin - 3,000,000,000
~ Base - 60,000,000

Piccolo - 4,200,000,000

Son Gohan
~ SSjin 2 - 4,200,000,000
~ SSjin - 2,100,000,000
~ Base - 42,000,000

Trunks
~ SSjin - 1,900,000,000
~ Base - 38,000,000

Son Goten
~ SSjin - 1,250,000,000
~ Base - 25,000,000

Son Pan
~ Enraged - 45,000,000
~ Base - 30,000,000

General Rild - 65,000,000

Super Oob - 3,000,000,000

Cell - 3,000,000,000

Freeza - 400,000,000

Nappa - 20,000

[dbgtFO]

Piccolo - 100,000,000

Android 19 - 30,000,000

• + Absorbed Ki - 60,000,000

Android 20 - 60,000,000

• + Absorbed Ki - 75,000,000

__________________________________________________________________________________________
Yamcha - 25,000
Tenshinhan - 50,000,000
Kuririn - 85,000,000

• • And here's the peanut gallery. Forgot to include them earlier. Oh well.

I'm surprised Piccolo said Krillin and Tenshinhan were useless against #20, when they actually are way up there.

[Kaboom]

D'oh! That's what happens when you get in the habit of writing all those zeroes automatically.

[Senzu_Bean]

I'm already done with this kind of thing but yesterday I stumbled into something, which thanks to numerous silly debates, I didn't remember at all - after all Trunks, the kid, can't handle 150x gravity without going Super Saiyan. Reason why I came here to ask why is the only direct indication of the Super kids' power always ignored over situations that are meaningless to power comparison?

I vaguely remember a few thoughts disproving how much x gravity you can handle means you're that strong and they're, honestly, ridiculous. So, here we have the Super kids weaker than the Super Saiyans when they faced the Artificial Humans and people ignore it and put them stronger than Piccolo.

[CatouttaHell]

I'm already done with this kind of thing but yesterday I stumbled into something, which thanks to numerous silly debates, I didn't remember at all - after all Trunks, the kid, can't handle 150x gravity without going Super Saiyan. Reason why I came here to ask why is the only direct indication of the Super kids' power always ignored over situations that are meaningless about power comparison?

I vaguely remember a few thoughts disproving how much x gravity you can handle means you're that strong and they're, honestly, ridiculous. So, here we have the Super kids weaker than the Super Saiyans when they faced the Artificial Humans and people ignore it and put them stronger than Piccolo.

#18 was shocked by them and claimed they had unheard-of power. They should be on par with Second Form Cell at least. The Daizenshuu states that Goten = Gohan also. Though I ignore that nowadays because the manga kind of contradicts it and it makes SSjin 3 Goku > Ultimate Gohan impossible, even using a Goten+Trunks formula.

[Senzu_Bean]

By "situations that are meaningless to power comparison" I was exactly referring to #18 as well Piccolo's reaction to the kids' power. There is nothing in those besides a reaction to something. This is a direct and actually the only direct indication to the kids' power without extrapolation that, in reality, are kind ridiculous.

[CatouttaHell]

#18 was completely terrified by an uncharged Ki blast Trunks fired. Not to mention we see Goten sparring with Gohan and Gohan breaking a sweat, and Trunks landing a hit on Vegeta. There's lots of evidence that they're extremely powerful. The main reason people put them above Piccolo is because of that Base Saiya-jins > Piccolo crap (I don't believe it personally.)

[Kaboom]

At the same time, though, the kids themselves seem to think they're still at a disadvantage because of their goofy Mighty Mask getup. So if you ask me, that means they're stronger than #18 but not leagues beyond her (like 3x her power or more or something), otherwise the suit would mean nothing.

[Senzu_Bean]

Nothing besides fan-extrapolation then and the only direct indication to their power, which still put them as extremely strong, is left without meaning. Okay then...

[CatouttaHell]

Vegeta was training in that same 150x gravity, and in his SSjin form no less. Does that mean that Vegeta got weaker?

[Senzu_Bean]

Not with the fan-debater attitude, please. SSJ Vegeta can handle 150x gravity and Trunks cannot. Period! There is nothing else in that scene besides fan extrapolation.

[CatouttaHell]

So you're ignoring the fact that Vegeta was also training in 150x gravity. And the fact that #18 practically crapped herself over an uncharged Ki blast from Trunks. And the fact that Goten sparred with Gohan and made him sweat. And the Daizenshuu statement that Gohan = Goten.

You're clinging to one little thing that ALSO suggests that Boo Arc Vegeta is somewhere around Artificial Humans Arc Vegeta and claiming that everything else is just fan extrapolation. Why would #18 be so terrified of SSjin Trunks' blast if it was weaker than her?

Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P12.4, P13.1
Context: after Trunks’ ki blast explodes
No.18: “Yo-you’ve got to be kidding…That energy bullet had absolutely incredible speed and destructive power…Co-could it be that those squirts have outrageous power?…This is dangerous! I’ve got to settle this fight soon!”

There's absolutely no other instance in the manga where somebody reacts like that to someone weaker than or on par with them.

[Kirby456]

Plus they almost killed 18 with a ultra suppressed slow ki blast and they were in that costume.

[dbgtFO]

@Senzu_Bean
Oh please.
Daizenshuu 7 says Trunks at the 25th Budokai demonstrated strength on par with #18's:

He and Goten then participated in the Adult Division as Mighty Mask, demonstrating strength on par with No. 18's, until she managed to see through their disguise.

http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.p ... s-u#trunks
There, is that good enough for you?

[Rocketman]

There's absolutely no other instance in the manga where somebody reacts like that to someone weaker than or on par with them.

Raditz did.

[In Brightest Day]

Chapter: 453 (DBZ 259), P12.4, P13.1
Context: after Trunks’ ki blast explodes
No.18: “Yo-you’ve got to be kidding…That energy bullet had absolutely incredible speed and destructive power…Co-could it be that those squirts have outrageous power?…This is dangerous! I’ve got to settle this fight soon!”

The last part of that quote seems to suggest that Android #18 isn't completely out-matched by Trunks and Son Goten. In fact, it kind of seems like she could probably beat them and that she was just surprised at that their power.