DBZ: Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi (Pre-Release Discussion)

[mysticboy]

People know that the sequels to the DBZ games will always fix the problems their predecessors had. It just baffles me as to why people chose to shit on these games before they even play it.

[Shin_Chou_Senshi]

Well said, bravo

Thanks. I appreciate that. (~_^ )

People know that the sequels to the DBZ games will always fix the problems their predecessors had. It just baffles me as to why people chose to shit on these games before they even play it.

Exactly ! Clearly the FUN that they hear people having while playing doesn't drop a hint upon them. -lolz- And if it's one thing I know and learned, and what everyone else should know is that NO ONE ever plays these early in-development demos good at an expo. You'll see nothing but awkward adjusting to gameplay that makes it look frustrating and uninspiring (besides the aesthetic) to watch unless they pull of some kind of special move. Sadly, unlike Street Fighter games, there isn't really a pro level crowd at these venues for these games. That's only realized when the talented people purchase. That's when some sick gameplay gets released that makes you go " Wow.... Ok.... I see it ! This is great ! ".

Simply looking at what's done so far, I can already see the potential that can be brought out of it. I didn't buy Raging Blast 1 or 2, even considering RB2 was the good out of the two, I was simply waiting on somthing like this, because like I said in my post up above, the pharse " 3rd times the charm " speaks volumes with DBZ games. I'll consider picking up RB2 after this. Depends. DBZUT certaintly looks to do what BT3 did, and become the new official mainstay title for years on.

[Rostir]

People know that the sequels to the DBZ games will always fix the problems their predecessors had.

Could you explain?

[Shin_Chou_Senshi]

People know that the sequels to the DBZ games will always fix the problems their predecessors had.

Could you explain?

I don't think MysticBoy has to explain. It's pretty evident that it is a fact that things do get fixed. Whether you're inquiring about mechanics or the " nerd raged " squabbles of a lot of you individuals, for the most part, they DO get fixed, or rather refined. I almost smell the unjust animosity from " Could you explain ? ". -lolz

[Zephyr]

People know that the sequels to the DBZ games will always fix the problems their predecessors had.

Not always. Raging Blast created more problems than it fixed from Sparking Meteor.

[Saimaroimaru]

People know that the sequels to the DBZ games will always fix the problems their predecessors had.

Not always. Raging Blast created more problems than it fixed from Sparking Meteor.

No people just resent the fact that the Raging Blast Series didn't make giant character rosters it focus, but then again its probably large when compared to other games outside of DBZ. The only problem I had with Raging blast was Raging Blast 1's unlocking system. I am in the opinion that Spike should have just said **** it and made the games have even larger character rosters and let the fanbase whine on that.

I'm pretty sure that idea went out the window when they switched to this BS supers system.

Let's be honest here, the sales on this one will blow Raging Blast 1 and 2 out of the water.

It has "Tenkaichi" in the name, and claims to be "Ultimate".
It's bringing back GT, which translates into more characters.
It brings in Boss Battles with QTE a la Naruto Storm 2 (i assume everyone here is aware of how good that did in sales)
They've made another graphic overhaul, except for the better this time.
The gameplay, from what they put out, doesn't seem to be the same again. (I question how many people will buy it knowing it's "Dragon Ball Z Ultimate Rock-Paper-Scissors Under the Heavens")

And you get a pen shaped like capsule if you pre-order it.

Dragon Ball fans in general will buy them, even if just out of curiosity, because it actually looks NEW. Someone else in this thread said it best, that it'll be the "Final Bout" of this generation. Different, even if not necessarily better, and will mark a pause in Dragon Ball games for a while......hopefully we still get "Dragon Ball: Budokai Heroes" first, though.

As I grow through out the years, I've come to notice greatly that DBZ fans are their own worst enemies. Like nothin' is ever enough ! Especially the majority that don't take responsiblity for their over expectancy. I wouldn't be raging on a forum, losing hair over this DEMO. Let's be real. Spike has done nothing but make great, fun games. Remember FUN ? -lolz- If we look back at where DB games came from (and I'm talking as far back as Ultimate Battle 22, maybe further), and look at where we are now, from a realistic point of view (and not the demented), they've evolved in somthing near perfection.

The only bad/poor DB games I've ever experienced truly were Final Bout, Ultimate Battle 22, Budokai 1 & 2, Tenkaichi 1 and Raging Blast 1. That being said, I've noticed a pattern. Has anyone else ? It's always the first, somtimes second games that are weak. The phrase " 3rd times the charm " speaks volumes with DB games (Budokai 3, Tenkaichi 3). I mostly play hardcore fighting games. That's what I was intensely brought up on. Street Fighter, Marvel and things of that nature. But quite frankly, I wouldn't want that type of play for a DBZ game (although I did enjoy Super DBZ). It's nice to break away.

As far as what I've seen so far... The system looks VERY refreshing, super dynamic, extra fast and FUN. I love how we're always involved even during the cinema-like occurrences. Really has that explosive feel DBZ should have. Blast look like BLAST. Loving that we finally have big candle flame auras. Gameplay looks to have been designed to reduce spamming to an all time low. The graphics are great ! That manga paper texture really gives it that classic, old school feel, which works great considerin' DBZ is the grand daddy of them all. Not super glossy like Burst Limit. That look works better on a Naruto or Bleach game. Besides, how bad can graphics be in this day and age ? I still admire some Dreamcast games. -lolz

I don't like to really get into the petty squabbles of the DBZ community. It really makes me queezy how quick the Debbie Downers roll out, load and pull the trigger on their " Negative Ki Gun ". -lolz- The elitist attitude is so draining.

Funny thing is the Naruto fanbase is more sensible. That being said, I just think the DB fanbase has been fed so many games over the decades that its just tired. I think they should just retire the series video game wise for a few years. No matter what comes out it will never be perfect. There is no such thing as perfect. Lets say we get all costumes, all characters, and a budokai 1 budokai 3 combo story mode with whatever your dream fighting engine is. I bet you people would still complain. Then there is reality with what is actually possible. People expect Spike to do all this in 1 year, admit that Spike needs more time and then whine when the game isn't as good as a game that has had more than 1 year of development time.

[Patient-mental]

The real problem with the fans here just assume each set of games is a direct continuation of the last.

PS2/Game Cube & Wii
Dragon Ball Z 1/2/3/IW
Sparking/Neo/Meteor
Super Dragon Ball Z

Xbox
Sagas

Each is a completely separate series then each other and being grouped together are the actual iterations of the last generations series of Dragon Ball releases. Below are all different to the previous ones and are complete resets of the "PS2" releases thus not continuations of development.

Xbox 360/PS3
Burst Limit - Complete reset of Dimps's Z series games which made it a "HD remake"
Raging Blast 1 and 2 - Complete reset of Spikes Sparking series similar to Dimps's "HD remake".
"Ultimate Tenkaichi" - Partial reset of the unpopular Raging Blast Series requiring an engine rejig forcing character numbers to drop.

People seem to ignore the obvious factors that occur with each new generational release of games: A significant drop of characters because of engine rebuilds, moving from a basic standard definition visual presentation to a high definition one at 1080p among other things that happen.

[InfernalVegito]

As I grow through out the years, I've come to notice greatly that DBZ fans are their own worst enemies. Like nothin' is ever enough ! Especially the majority that don't take responsiblity for their over expectancy. I wouldn't be raging on a forum, losing hair over this DEMO. Let's be real. Spike has done nothing but make great, fun games. Remember FUN ? -lolz- If we look back at where DB games came from (and I'm talking as far back as Ultimate Battle 22, maybe further), and look at where we are now, from a realistic point of view (and not the demented), they've evolved in somthing near perfection.

It's even MORE retarded and unprofessional to not even include the smallest details and hints of correctness when being able to produce SO MANY games in the course of a decade. It's true that the games progressed and they always added something new and that was wanted by the fans. BUT ALWAYS for a price which was to take something that has been added before away. I can't complain enough about that because I am dying for an explanation about all of this from the guys who are responsible for this.

And yes perfection is a man-made concept that does not exist. And I will complain as long as I can if I feel the need for it because that's the only way that allows for it to become near perfection.

[VegettoEX]

C'mon now, folks. Let's be realistic with each other and realize that because it's an annualized-licensed-franchised-bordering-on-shovelware type of gaming series, the expectations of each fan is likely going to be completely different from the fan sitting next to (posting next to?) them. There's no need to belittle each others' expectations and wants, and then go on to say how silly it is to even have those "elitist" attitudes in the first place. I mean, seriously -- hypocrisy much?

We all have different desires from these games, and I'm not going to sit back and let others crush down on people simply because they want to express those opinions. I'm happy to keep the conversation in-check and on-going so long as everyone is level-headed and moderately realistic about it (with a healthy bit of fantasizing, of course!).

This should be pretty simple, folks!

(Let's also work on that whole "posting in proper and complete sentences" thing that's all the rage these days ^_~)

[Rostir]

People know that the sequels to the DBZ games will always fix the problems their predecessors had.

Could you explain?

I don't think MysticBoy has to explain. It's pretty evident that it is a fact that things do get fixed. Whether you're inquiring about mechanics or the " nerd raged " squabbles of a lot of you individuals, for the most part, they DO get fixed, or rather refined. I almost smell the unjust animosity from " Could you explain ? ". -lolz

What problems? Is what I'm really aiming at here.

[Shin_Chou_Senshi]

Funny thing is the Naruto fanbase is more sensible. That being said, I just think the DB fanbase has been fed so many games over the decades that its just tired. I think they should just retire the series video game wise for a few years. No matter what comes out it will never be perfect. There is no such thing as perfect. Lets say we get all costumes, all characters, and a budokai 1 budokai 3 combo story mode with whatever your dream fighting engine is. I bet you people would still complain. Then there is reality with what is actually possible. People expect Spike to do all this in 1 year, admit that Spike needs more time and then whine when the game isn't as good as a game that has had more than 1 year of development time.

Truth. People will always complain. No one is making us buy these games. Few of them of which aren't even bad games like people make them out to be. They always get great scores. Why do we need the " perfect " 10 ?! It's that " nerd rage " talking. " -lolz- I'll definately be gettin' DBZUT because I can see the potential it has. It truly looks hott. I haven't bought a DBZ game since Sparking Meteor. Does Spike really need more than a year ? The basic fundamentals are there, they jus' need to be refined (as with most qsuedo-sequals in fighting games). The aesthetic overhauling, better and more special attacks, new redesigned stages, and a new presentation to my knowledge should all work within' a year considering that the grunt work and structure is already there.

It's even MORE retarded and unprofessional to not even include the smallest details and hints of correctness when being able to produce SO MANY games in the course of a decade. It's true that the games progressed and they always added something new and that was wanted by the fans. BUT ALWAYS for a price which was to take something that has been added before away. I can't complain enough about that because I am dying for an explanation about all of this from the guys who are responsible for this.

And yes perfection is a man-made concept that does not exist. And I will complain as long as I can if I feel the need for it because that's the only way that allows for it to become near perfection.

I never said they were perfect, I know that doesn't exist. I said that if we look at where we came from with DBZ games way back on the Famicon, PS1 etc., and look at where we are now (BT3, RB2, DBUT), which could we say really mirrors the experience of the anime we all know and love, and manages to be fun with good gameplay ? We'd be lying if we didn't say it's the latter. From a general, non-biased point, we've already reached " near-perfection ". But so is life, it's never enough for some. Not everyone will be happy with the choices someone makes in their life. I apply the same logic with games.

There's a constant struggle of fanservice vs gameplay, and when I read these forums I see it tends to be the fanservice over the gameplay, because truthfully.... the gameplay is THERE.

[Rostir]

C'mon now, folks. Let's be realistic with each other and realize that because it's an annualized-licensed-franchised-bordering-on-shovelware type of gaming series, the expectations of each fan is likely going to be completely different from the fan sitting next to (posting next to?) them. There's no need to belittle each others' expectations and wants, and then go on to say how silly it is to even have those "elitist" attitudes in the first place. I mean, seriously -- hypocrisy much?

With this said, I no longer have any expectations for this game.

[Shin_Chou_Senshi]

C'mon now, folks. Let's be realistic with each other and realize that because it's an annualized-licensed-franchised-bordering-on-shovelware type of gaming series, the expectations of each fan is likely going to be completely different from the fan sitting next to (posting next to?) them. There's no need to belittle each others' expectations and wants, and then go on to say how silly it is to even have those "elitist" attitudes in the first place. I mean, seriously -- hypocrisy much?

With this said, I no longer have any expectations for this game.

The elitist attitudes are truly too much too bare. As someone said, the Naruto followers aren't like that. I don't even see this in the Street Fighter scene, and that's a serious gentlemens game. -lolz

It's fine you don't have expectations. I'm in love with what I see.... but I'm not holding my breath, bashing, nitpicking, or losing hair. I'll take it as it comes on the 28th of October, THAT'S when I'll make a solid statement. It's really a fools method to cast stones right now. The game already looks new and refreshing. They're putting in work.

[Rostir]

C'mon now, folks. Let's be realistic with each other and realize that because it's an annualized-licensed-franchised-bordering-on-shovelware type of gaming series, the expectations of each fan is likely going to be completely different from the fan sitting next to (posting next to?) them. There's no need to belittle each others' expectations and wants, and then go on to say how silly it is to even have those "elitist" attitudes in the first place. I mean, seriously -- hypocrisy much?

With this said, I no longer have any expectations for this game.

The elitist attitudes are truly too much too bare. As someone said, the Naruto followers aren't like that. I don't even see this in the Street Fighter scene, and that's a serious gentlemens game. -lolz

It's fine you don't have expectations. I'm in love with what I see.... but I'm not holding my breath, bashing, nitpicking, or losing hair. I'll take it as it comes on the 28th of October, THAT'S when I'll make a solid statement. It's really a fools method to cast stones right now. The game already looks new and refreshing. They're putting in work.

I no longer see the point of even having expectations for these games when nothing I think or feel can change the final product. I'd rather just look at the videos and be satisfied with what I've got, what I want is not going to happen, that fact is undeniable.

[VegettoEX]

If anything, you're the only only one parading around an "elitist attitude", Shin_Chou_Senshi.

At least, I think so. I can't actually tell -- the posts I've read from you so far are near-incomprehensible. It seems as if you're telling people they shouldn't have any expectations or hopes at all because it's "good enough" compared to games for the franchise in the past.

That's not how it works. As I said, people are allowed to think and hope for whatever they want. Do we hope they have REASONABLE expectations and can articulate them well when talking about it here? Sure do!

Knock off your "lolz" speak and actually contribute to a friendly discussion, or please find another place to discuss things. It's great that you think the game looks fantastic and you're excited for it, but you don't speak for everyone else.

[mysticboy]

Is there going to be a special edition version this game?

[goku the krump dancer]

I agree with what InfernalVegeto said, its like they make make four steps forward and take two steps back both Dimps and Spike are guilty of this.

[VegettoEX]

A quick look through some old updates reveals that we learned about Europe's "Limited Edition" for the first game in September of that year, so I would wager that if we're going to learn anything (for Europe or elsewhere), it'll be a few months until we know. It's still far too early.

[mysticboy]

A quick look through some old updates reveals that we learned about Europe's "Limited Edition" for the first game in September of that year, so I would wager that if we're going to learn anything (for Europe or elsewhere), it'll be a few months until we know. It's still far too early.

Since that's true and RB1 came out in November, maybe we'll get some news on this in August.

[Rukura]

The elitist attitudes are truly too much too bare. As someone said, the Naruto followers aren't like that.

...and whoever said that, spoke like someone clearly out of the loop in terms of the online Naruto fanbase (some can be worst than some of the worst ones on the Dragon Ball side....difference is they have less characters to demand and get pissy about)

Remember FUN ? -lolz-

I just wanted to come back to you on that one....because, well...i didn't quite see what you were going with the rest of it or why it was written in reply to a quote of mine that had nothing to do with what you were saying

I remember fun....from back when all i had, in terms of Dragon Ball games (1997, seven years-old), was Final Bout (but what do i know? That might just be the elitist in me talking )


Seriously, though. Has anyone posted anything about how the movesets work? (controls, what you can actually do with the controller and whatnot) Because i kinda wanted to check that out, since all i've seen was gameplay...