DBZ: Ultimate Blast/Tenkaichi (Pre-Release Discussion)

[InfernalVegito]

Story mode at this point is just an extra. I only play through it a couple times upon purchase, after that, I make my bed in VS.Mode. So be it thorough or not, I won't be in it for long.

This game could change this aspect if it was really completeley cinematic with its QTEs in storymode.

[dbgtFO]

@dbgtFO: Stupid quetsion I'm sure but what's a 'title character'?

The title character in fiction is the fictional character whose name is contained in the title,[...]

So the title character of "Catherine" is Catherine, who Laura Bailey voices in the english dub of that game.

So GT is treated the same way as the movies, huh. I do wonder, if this means that it won't be exactly like the Z version of the Story-mode.

[Piccolo Daimaoh]

Who exactly are you talking (in response) to? Is it me? 'Cuz I'm the one recently criticizing it and getting quoted for it.

If I had been talking in response to you, I would have quoted you. I thought that was the convention.

First off, you need to actually read what it is I wrote -- nowhere did I say "the graphics" have not "improved as much". What I actually said was:

I read what you wrote. You have a valid contention. It's apparent that Spike don't change a great deal from game to game. However, you're under no compulsion to buy every installment in the series.

Your response is filled with semi-contradictions, too.

"Semi-contradictions" doesn't really make sense. I'm either contradictory, or I'm not. It's like saying "very wrong" or "rather inconsistent".

They're not a great developer, so why expect something good?!

I said they're not a great developer, comparatively. That is, in comparison with other developers. I may perfer the Tenkaichi series to the Budokai series, but I think Street Fighter IV (a Dimps game) is much better than Raging Blast 2 (a Spike game). Who knows, had Dimps had the idea for a "Dragon Ball Simulator", then maybe we wouldn't be arguing about this. The point I'm trying to make is: Spike have made a few good games, but they're nowhere near Capcom or SNK calibre.

They have perfected it, so it'll be fine / decent enough! You can't have you cake and eat it too with Spike / Namco-Bandai / DBZ.

I said that I thought Spike had perfected the Tenkaichi engine with Raging Blast 2. Now, it took them a while to get there. Raging Blast 1 was disastrous. They tried something relatively new and quite frankly, they fucked it up. And now they're trying to be innovative again. In such a short amount of time, no less. So I'm just a bit apprehensive in regard to the gameplay. Yes, the graphics/animations should have been updated. But if it's not broken, why fix it? In any case, I'm at the very least going to rent this.

[Saimaroimaru]

Story mode at this point is just an extra. I only play through it a couple times upon purchase, after that, I make my bed in VS.Mode. So be it thorough or not, I won't be in it for long.

This game could change this aspect if it was really completeley cinematic with its QTEs in storymode.

Or he just plays dbz games for the vs mode. Not everyone likes or plays story modes regardless of what show it is based off of.

[Jaetinh]

So Character Creation might be that new special mode they were talking about?

[LeprikanGT]

Oh please lord no. They took away my free will to move out of the way of blasts; don't open up THAT can of worms with your last game Spike.

[mysticboy]

So Character Creation might be that new special mode they were talking about?

Oh god do I wish it is...

[Titan]

"Complete Character Creation & Customization"

It isn't like this is the first time they'd mislead us...

Complete Character Creation & Customization – Appearance and attributes can be customized such as model body, face, hair, attire, fi ghting style and more! Additionally fi ghting style and special moves can be selected.

They are explicitly saying that it is actual character creation.

If this is true i'll buy it.
Just think about it,we can use different costumes and eventually switch techniques.

We can also build a What if fusion and eventually use kaiohken or
create Mystic or Majin characters.

This will be the ultimate tenkaichi.I wonder if we can change the colours as well.

The body/face/hairstyle customization is essential,however we still need at least 3 costumes for each character.

[mckeg]

Look at the clipping in the character outfit with the shoulder cutting through the armor. This has been happening for years, and it's because they're still using the same basic models and animations they created back in 2005. It has a shiny coat of paint on top, but the underlying code and rendering is exactly the same... resulting in presentation issues that should have been solved years ago.

Look at Gohan's hand grasping his arm -- because it's not. It's bulky, it's not actually making contact, and it's just kinda floating in the appropriate space. Again, this is because they're using the same shit from 2005 to create this new game.

Same model from 2005? No the ps2/wii character models in sparking definetely have a lower polycount, probably derived on the same higher polygon base model made in 2005. That is then reduced to be optimised for that platforms overall geometry limit.

The armour clipping problem happens in Burst Limit too, try watching Vegeta and goku face off in the little cinematic before their very first fight.

I agree it's lazy to reuse the same assets over and over, but from a developers point of view they can get a working alpha up quicker by doing this. Lionhead did it for the 2 fable sequels, however they did replace 85% of the assets by the time they had finished the game. Spike seem reuse most of the previous assets...

[LeprikanGT]

Why do people wanyt a CAC mode SO badly?

That will just open the AF flood gates again and if you don't want to play as a DBZ character, why are you buying a DBZ game?

Go find some generic fighting game with CAC mode, this isn't DBZ: Ultimate SmackDown.

First they restrict battles and take away free roaming and now they give people the ability to make up characters? I expected much more from this game, being it is the last Spike game.

I'm still buying it but I will NEVER touch that mode, I'll suffer not getting trophies if they are a part of the game. [ps3 version]

[Jaetinh]

Why do people wanyt a CAC mode SO badly?

That will just open the AF flood gates again and if you don't want to play as a DBZ character, why are you buying a DBZ game?

Go find some generic fighting game with CAC mode, this isn't DBZ: Ultimate SmackDown.

First they restrict battles and take away free roaming and now they give people the ability to make up characters? I expected much more from this game, being it is the last Spike game.

I'm still buying it but I will NEVER touch that mode, I'll suffer not getting trophies if they are a part of the game. [ps3 version]

I personally want it because I'm a guy who loves to edit and correct the 'mistakes' the characters/players have in the game. Games such as PES, FIFA and other games where you can edit players, I use them to correct player boots and some attributes to make it more realistic.

I will do the exact same thing with DBZ UT if it's true about the Creation Creation, I mean c'mon man it might be possible to give Trunks (Sword) his saiyajin outfit, Trunks (fighting) his clothes that he used against Freeza with a sword and other things that they missed from the series/movies.. Teen Gohan with his father's outfit (movie 9)?

[mckeg]

Two things I've seen and don't like in the videos so far, the slow/weird way the guy getting hit spins (too slow?) when getting knocked from QTE to the next QTE. And the position on the map that the characters are in during QTE, is different to the position they are in during normal gameplay. It's like the annoying transformation camera during RB1 all over again....

[mysticboy]

Why do people wanyt a CAC mode SO badly?

There's literally no reason NOT to want it.

[InfernalVegito]

Yeah why would you not want it? It's probably more fun than you imagine.

[Jaruka]

Yeah why would you not want it? It's probably more fun than you imagine.

Because people are stuck-up elitists who cry the second they see a new Super Saiyan despite the fact the series treated Super Saiyan like the common cold.

[VegettoEX]

Because people are stuck-up elitists who cry the second they see a new Super Saiyan despite the fact the series treated Super Saiyan like the common cold.

That's... not necessarily true at all.

I'm all over the new Bardock stuff, including his new Super Saiyan transformation, and I can't possibly care any less about creating my own new character in a DragonBall video game.

Is it that difficult for you folks to even possibly consider the preferences of other folks in these games without resorting to tossing the word "elitist" around? It's pretty disgusting.

Some folks don't care for story modes (me!). Some folks don't care for creating characters (me!). Deal?

[Jaruka]

Because people are stuck-up elitists who cry the second they see a new Super Saiyan despite the fact the series treated Super Saiyan like the common cold.

That's... not necessarily true at all.

I'm all over the new Bardock stuff, including his new Super Saiyan transformation, and I can't possibly care any less about creating my own new character in a DragonBall video game.

Is it that difficult for you folks to even possibly consider the preferences of other folks in these games without resorting to tossing the word "elitist" around? It's pretty disgusting.

Some folks don't care for story modes (me!). Some folks don't care for creating characters (me!). Deal?

The fact of the matter is that I don't care either way, I have no original preference and chances are the people screaming for it are just as bad as the other side of the coin but I'm pretty sure denying and condemning a feature because of fear that someone may make Super Saiyan Toma, express themselves with a creative flair or perhaps finally have a chance to see their original characters in a game is a bit silly.

Being upset about something that doesn't effect you because you feel it harms the canon is a bit silly, especially when the idea of it harming the canon is subjective and if a game is ruined to you because people have a little bit of freedom then to be honest I feel very sorry for you.

Well at least now we know why they removed the two what-if characters, we can do that anyway. Keeps everyone happy.

[Titan]

Because people are stuck-up elitists who cry the second they see a new Super Saiyan despite the fact the series treated Super Saiyan like the common cold.

That's... not necessarily true at all.

I'm all over the new Bardock stuff, including his new Super Saiyan transformation, and I can't possibly care any less about creating my own new character in a DragonBall video game.

Is it that difficult for you folks to even possibly consider the preferences of other folks in these games without resorting to tossing the word "elitist" around? It's pretty disgusting.

Some folks don't care for story modes (me!). Some folks don't care for creating characters (me!). Deal?

The fact of the matter is that I don't care either way, I have no original preference and chances are the people screaming for it are just as bad as the other side of the coin but I'm pretty sure denying and condemning a feature because of fear that someone may make Super Saiyan Toma, express themselves with a creative flair or perhaps finally have a chance to see their original characters in a game is a bit silly.

Being upset about something that doesn't effect you because you feel it harms the canon is a bit silly, especially when the idea of it harming the canon is subjective and if a game is ruined to you because people have a little bit of freedom then to be honest I feel very sorry for you.

Well at least now we know why they removed the two what-if characters, we can do that anyway. Keeps everyone happy.

Fantastic post!

[LeprikanGT]

I don't want it for many reaons but one being that the characters have certain clothes and moves for a reason.

You shouldn't be able to give just anyone something all willy-nilly. This is a DBZ game and I want to play as DBZ characters, but somehting that looks like bad fanfics and fanarts.

Which is one of the reasons that I also don't like DBO. ANYONE in that game can become Super Saiyan. If you take away [or give EVERYONE] the thing that makes certain people special, then NO one is special.

This is pretty much my exact feelings towards CAC modes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I9pYCl9AQ

[mysticboy]

I don't want it for many reaons but one being that the characters have certain clothes and moves for a reason.

You shouldn't be able to give just anyone something all willy-nilly. This is a DBZ game and I want to play as DBZ characters, but somehting that looks like bad fanfics and fanarts.

Which is one of the reasons that I also don't like DBO. ANYONE in that game can become Super Saiyan. If you take away [or give EVERYONE] the thing that makes certain people special, then NO one is special.

This is pretty much my exact feelings towards CAC modes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8I9pYCl9AQ

Then don't...use it.