Funi's custom edits of Faulconer Prod music?

[Coycoy88]

After listening to some of the original Funi DVD releases of DBZ, I noticed that certain music cues were different between them, and the remastered DVD's. The differences from the original DVD's seem kinda SLAPPED on there, and are in a lower quality mono type format... At least that's what it sounds like to me. I'm just wondering if instances like these were the work at someone at funimation? And what other times were the music changed? As an example, listen to these two clips of Piccolo attacking Android 17 with his Scatter Shot Technique. I did not edit these in any way. The first one is from the original single DVD release, and the second from the remastered DVD.

MP3 - http://www.megaupload.com/?d=LJLLSO0R

What's your take on this?

[cRookie_Monster]

Not sure about that instance, but yeah Evan(Funi mixer guy) messed with the music in a few places after we shipped it to them with the initial releases. There were spots where the Perfect Cell theme was replaced, another where a Goku nightmare sequence had the music changed. There even places where multiple pieces of music were overlaid, I think specifically when Cell absorbs some rich dude.

All that work he did I believe is lost in current releases. If they use Faulconer Productions music now, it's generally just how we shipped it to them (with the exception of stuff they sent back to us to change...those changes are preserved of course ie Trunks or Mr. Shu music)

[Coycoy88]

@cRookie_Monster - I just checked out the ending of Super Vegeta & Perfect Cell's fight and right after, during Trunks and Cell's fight from the original DVD and whoa! The BGM is significantly different from the remastered version. I prefer the remastered audio personally. The Faulconer BGM is in it's originally intended context. The edits done on the original release seem...erm... out of place, and at times a bit awkward now that I listen to it. Oh and about the edit done when cell absorbed that rich guy in front of Piccolo... On the original release the unreleased Imperfect Cell "Beat" theme was over-layed onto the "Cell kills Man" track. Aha, for some reason I actually liked that edit. Also, I Wish they would of used the track "Frieza's death" when well... Trunks killed Frieza in the remastered dvd. Ever since I found out that track was originally intended to play on that scene, I wanted to hear it that way. At least it was put to good use for when Goku sacrificed himself against Cell.

[xzero]

You guys have me curious about this now. Did Evan make those changes--other than stuff sent back to you like the Freeza death scene--for the TV airings, which then found their way onto DVDs, or were they different on TV and changed when placed on DVD?

Also, I know the Faulconer-era episodes were largely visually uncut as far as scenes and whatnot being removed, but there were edits, including cutting frames of animation which would change the edits to the BGM (for instance, the 2-second moment of Babidi flipping Goku off was completely cut from the TV version). Was Evan the person who had to make the edits to the score to make sure everything matched, or did the Faulconer guys provide Funi with an edited-version score and a full uncut score?

[Codarik]

^
Good question.

Anyway, I've noticed this type of thing several times in the past but for the life of me I can't remember any of them and I can't search for them since I no longer have the old singles.

[cRookie_Monster]

We didn't do any of the "edited"\censored versions. Funimation handled that, probably Evan during his time. I'm not sure exactly when Evan joined Funi. I think he took over the mix around Garlic Jr timeframe. Before that Mike used to do all the mixes (dialogue and everything) and we'd send back the entire audio completed to Funimation.

I think the Evan music edits were on both DVD and air. At least they were on the VHS releases, not sure about DVD honestly but I'd bet they are there...lazy me..I have orange bricks sitting over there...

[Codarik]

Oh, I just remembered a time when this happend.

Original - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zahkmx0c ... ure=relmfu

In the remastered version, "Wrestling Rock w/ Lead" is playing instead.

[Coycoy88]

Another thing I noticed is that some episodes are in full stereo, while other were in mono (or all the sound was center-based). This happened in the original DVD's as well. Like the episode where future Trunks kills Android 17 & 18, then kills Imperfect Cell. On the original DVD the audio is mono, but on the remastered DVD it's in full stereo. Must of been how Funi encoded the audio? Aha, it's a bit frustrating when I can't rip a unreleased song from an episode that's audio is set-up that way. D:

[cRookie_Monster]

Yuck don't get me started on the mono summation that was going on... That totally destroyed some of the mixes in the broadcast version. What can happen is things that were already mono..get doubled from left and right making them loud as hell. Things that were truly stereo get summed but don't blow up in volume as much since they don't match exactly. If you're extra unlucky, the stereo content will actually start to cancel out...making it get even quieter and\or phasey sounding. So basically the crappier instruments get LOUD where the nice stereo spread stuff stays quiet....enhancing the bad, lowering the good, and killing balance in general...ugh... You really have to mix especially for mono if you want mono...we didn't. Then add SFX and dialogue on top and turn the music down so you can barely hear it anyway. It was really hard for me to watch some of those releases on TV...having listened to them before on professional studio monitors in proper stereo with the music hot.

[Attitudefan]

Another instance is when Goku was in Kaioken against Ginyu. After Ginyu attacks him but Goku is unfazed, the DBZ theme is played throughout but in the remastered it's a completely different mix of songs.