Theory - Vegeta's (real) intentions staying on Earth

[jjgp1112]

I disagree. A lot of the things we see throughout the story just seem to contradict that - for one, he was adamantly against producing hybrids. His character barely changed when he was on earth. He spared Gohan, Krillin, and Goku after the Ginyu fight because they were useful against Frieza. When he was wished back he was acting like the same dickhead he'd always been. And the, look at the way he rejects both versions of Trunks - it takes Cell killing the future version of him to even remotely care. A lot of the the storylines presented in DB are simple and one-sided - Vegeta just stayed on Earth in anticipation of Goku's return and knew that killing everyone was pointless and he'd surely end up dealing with Goku anyway, and he was no match for him at that point. Then, when training for the Androids, either through Bulma being the whore she always is, or Vegeta needing to satisfy his libido, or a combination of the two, he had Trunks. Given how he didn't even bother to save the two from Gero, he obviously didn't care about recreating the Saiyan race.

I don't understand why people ignore the fact that Vegeta just wanted to f*ck Goku. Who obsesses over someone so much if they don't liek them? I mean the proof is in the pudding don't ya think? Vegeta stayed so he oculd get with Goku. All the slash writers have it right. You guys could learn from them.

Please...stop.

[Bussani]

Who obsesses over someone so much if they don't liek them?

Rivals.

[Luke Groundwalker]

@ Bussani

There isn't much to what I can respond to related to the biology, but I pretty much agree entirely. Matter of fact a lot of what you said is what I was trying to get across.

I think having a son is definitely what makes him "settle down" after the Cell saga, but I never got the impression that this was planned in any way. But I do think you're right in a way: almost all people have the urge to preserve their bloodline, and even if Trunks wasn't planned, I'm sure Vegeta was happy somewhere in his head that his was being carried on.

That's kind of what I'm getting across. I'm not saying that Vegeta had some type of diabolical plan, just that he settled on Earth to preserve his race. Going out in space and doing what he's always done wouldn't have accomplished this effectively (since he'd have to find another race like the Earthlings). Whether the blood is thinned or not, the remaining Saiyan legacy has pretty much been distributed amongst Earth especially if you take DBO in account.

I disagree. A lot of the things we see throughout the story just seem to contradict that - for one, he was adamantly against producing hybrids. His character barely changed when he was on earth. He spared Gohan, Krillin, and Goku after the Ginyu fight because they were useful against Freeza. When he was wished back he was acting like the same dickhead he'd always been. And the, look at the way he rejects both versions of Trunks - it takes Cell killing the future version of him to even remotely care. A lot of the the storylines presented in DB are simple and one-sided - Vegeta just stayed on Earth in anticipation of Goku's return and knew that killing everyone was pointless and he'd surely end up dealing with Goku anyway, and he was no match for him at that point. Then, when training for the Androids, either through Bulma being the whore she always is, or Vegeta needing to satisfy his libido, or a combination of the two, he had Trunks. Given how he didn't even bother to save the two from Gero, he obviously didn't care about recreating the Saiyan race.

How exactly were Krillin and Gohan useful against the fight with Freeza?

Also why compare his lack of care for his family to his apparent lack of care of the Saiyan race? Matter of fact I'm pretty positive the latter is MUCH more important to him.

[jjgp1112]

He said it himself during the fight with Fr­ieza - strength in numbers. He said that if the three worked together, they could take him down, and that Gohan's strength was increasingly rapidly. Hell, immediately after the Ginyu battle, he told them that he would kill them right then and there had it not been for their usefulness against Frieza. These are all things that are said directly, not just implied.

It was clear that Vegeta didn't care much about recreating the Saiyan race. Look at his non-reaction to discovering Planet Vegeta was destroyed. He just said, "Oh." and then pondered whether he should start requesting tougher missions because his latest ones were boring. Considering that Trunks would be the first link in making a new race, yet he had complete disregard for whether he lived or died or not, it was clear that recreating the race wasn't at all one of his priorities.

[SuperAndroid11]

Who obsesses over someone so much if they don't liek them?

Rivals.

He's absolutely right. There's tension between everyone on the show. Community had a funny scene from their clip show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2sVs6uBp6SY. Basically, you can ship anyone with anyone on any show.

[Luke Groundwalker]

Man, no more responses? Was hoping to rack up some more opinions here, but I guess I'll keep this topic active.

He said it himself during the fight with Fr­ieza - strength in numbers. He said that if the three worked together, they could take him down, and that Gohan's strength was increasingly rapidly. Hell, immediately after the Ginyu battle, he told them that he would kill them right then and there had it not been for their usefulness against Freeza. These are all things that are said directly, not just implied.

Yeah but I'm talking about BEFORE that, he definitely didn't need any of the Earthlings alive. He was more than confident in the majority of the time spent on Namek to fight Freeza himself, till later on when he actually started fighting him. Earthlings are good support, but he didn't really NEED them more-so than it doesn't hurt to have them on his side.

It was clear that Vegeta didn't care much about recreating the Saiyan race. Look at his non-reaction to discovering Planet Vegeta was destroyed. He just said, "Oh." and then pondered whether he should start requesting tougher missions because his latest ones were boring. Considering that Trunks would be the first link in making a new race, yet he had complete disregard for whether he lived or died or not, it was clear that recreating the race wasn't at all one of his priorities.

Dude come on, I'm trying to avoid anime-only moments here, but that was very clearly more of a case of Vegeta being too shocked to reconcile with the fact that his entire people is dead.

Even though it's showed multiple times in the series that he has ALWAYS wanted to kill Freeza. Hell he burst out in tears as he was dying telling the truth about Freeza to Goku before his death, showing he had a great love for his people even though he may've been raised evil. There is absolutely no denying that Vegeta care deeply about his race, his father, and his home planet.

The Trunks point is kind of irrelevant cause at that time Vegeta was focused on getting more powerful, but he did consistently allow Trunks to train and fight with him. He probably wouldn't have done that for other characters in the entire Cell Saga.

Again however, I'm not saying that Vegeta had this major ulterior motive in this theory. He could, but he doesn't have to. This theory is more about Vegeta just accepting this is the closest to preserving his legacy in any place in the universe, and both him and Goku effectively do this as seen in Dragonball Online. The theory is just saying that unlike Goku's situation where he was raised on Earth, Vegeta intentionally stayed on Earth for the sake that it's quite literally the only place he could settle, raise a family, and have a son to be proud of due to the hybrid effect.

[roidrage]

Yeah but I'm talking about BEFORE that, he definitely didn't need any of the Earthlings alive. He was more than confident in the majority of the time spent on Namek to fight Freeza himself, till later on when he actually started fighting him. Earthlings are good support, but he didn't really NEED them more-so than it doesn't hurt to have them on his side.

That's not true. Vegeta was always afraid of Freeza, and smartly so. Notice how he made a point of picking off Zarbon and Dodoria by ambushing them while they were alone; he didn't dare attack them while Freeza was anywhere in the vicinity. He does gain some confidence, as evidenced by his bragging of becoming a Super Saiyan through zenkais, but still not enough to gamble everything on. The only time Vegeta's ever certain of victory is when it looks like immortality is within his reach.

Even though it's showed multiple times in the series that he has ALWAYS wanted to kill Freeza. Hell he burst out in tears as he was dying telling the truth about Freeza to Goku before his death, showing he had a great love for his people even though he may've been raised evil. There is absolutely no denying that Vegeta care deeply about his race, his father, and his home planet.

The Trunks point is kind of irrelevant cause at that time Vegeta was focused on getting more powerful, but he did consistently allow Trunks to train and fight with him. He probably wouldn't have done that for other characters in the entire Cell Saga.

Vegeta probably knew, as implied by Goku, that it would be much more beneficial to him to train with a partner rather than alone. He probably preferred spending a year with Trunks rather than Goku, but there still doesn't seem to be much sentimentality in his decision.

[Luke Groundwalker]

That's not true. Vegeta was always afraid of Freeza, and smartly so. Notice how he made a point of picking off Zarbon and Dodoria by ambushing them while they were alone; he didn't dare attack them while Freeza was anywhere in the vicinity. He does gain some confidence, as evidenced by his bragging of becoming a Super Saiyan through zenkais, but still not enough to gamble everything on. The only time Vegeta's ever certain of victory is when it looks like immortality is within his reach.

I'm aware of this, but I'm mostly referring to the fact that Vegeta was very confident that immortality was in his reach. Of course mono-e-mono he would be scared of Freeza, but he had a big and bold plan that he was going to gain immortality and then kill Freeza. Clearly that didn't go through, however. This plan didn't involve the Earthlings early on, which he consistently sparred, and that's kind of my main point in that he had somewhat of a respect for the Earthlings by this point in time. Maybe it's the fact that the last survivor of the Saiyan race lived on Earth, and his respect for Goku rubbed off to Goku's friends too. Of course he was pure evil, but I don't mean respect as in him being all buddy-buddy with them or anything. Respect can be shown on many different levels; even if you hate someone you can still respect them, for example.

[jjgp1112]

Well, Vegeta did say to Gohan that he let Krillin and Bulma go because he was just so elated about getting the Dragon Balls that he decided not to kill them. He probably wanted to kill Gohan, Krillin, and Goku all at once to get revenge for the original battle.

[hleV]

Earth provided Vegeta with good conditions to train. Since that's the only thing Vegeta does (besides eating and having sex with Bulma few times), that's the reason he stayed there.